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Another State Pension Forecast Query

EasilyConfused
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Another State Pension Forecast Query

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Postby EasilyConfused » January 20th, 2017, 8:33 pm

Like a recent poster, I have used the Gov.UK online system to get a forecast that has left me confused by the COPE element.

My NI history shows I have 39 years paid. I have had a combination of contracted in an out years in that time.

The headline of the Pension forecast says I am entitled to £157.59, with something along the lines of this being 'the maximum I can receive'. This is a little above the stated £155.65 full new pension.

In the 'how contracting out...' section it states my estimated COPE is £64.91 a week.

I am hoping to semi retire soon and live initially off savings for a few years until my pensions kick in; and my plans anticipate a full state pension.

My nagging worry is that it may be telling me as of today if I contribute no more full years NI I would receive £92.68 (£157.59-£64.91) a week from the State. Please tell me it isn't so :?

My thanks in advance for settling my mind one way or the other.

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Re: Another State Pension Forecast Query

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Postby UncleEbenezer » January 21st, 2017, 3:47 pm

I like your username! :D

If it's telling you you'll get less than the £155, then I'd expect it also to tell you how many more years contributions you need to get the full amount. Does it?

Though I could be barking up entirely the wrong tree.

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Re: Another State Pension Forecast Query

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Postby swill453 » January 21st, 2017, 4:21 pm

EasilyConfused wrote:The headline of the Pension forecast says I am entitled to £157.59, with something along the lines of this being 'the maximum I can receive'. This is a little above the stated £155.65 full new pension.

I think if it's telling you you'll get more than the full new pension, then that's what you've already earned under the old system. You'll get it all (plus a bit of indexing until you actually take it) but you won't be able to increase it by making more contributions.
EasilyConfused wrote:In the 'how contracting out...' section it states my estimated COPE is £64.91 a week.

COPE is their estimate of how much you should get from whatever other pension of yours benefited from you being contracted out.
EasilyConfused wrote:My nagging worry is that it may be telling me as of today if I contribute no more full years NI I would receive £92.68 (£157.59-£64.91) a week from the State. Please tell me it isn't so :?

It's not so :-)

Scott.

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Re: Another State Pension Forecast Query

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Postby mc2fool » January 21st, 2017, 4:38 pm

EasilyConfused wrote:My nagging worry is that it may be telling me as of today if I contribute no more full years NI I would receive £92.68 (£157.59-£64.91) a week from the State. Please tell me it isn't so :?

Ok, it isn't so. :D

On the assumption that the £157.59 is your pension based on your National Insurance record up to 5 April 2016 then £157.59 is what you'll get.

The COPE is used to calculate the new state pension amount that goes into the "starting amount" (at 6-Apr-16) calculation. As the £157.59 is higher than the maximum of £155.65 under the new system we can tell at a glance, and without even considering your COPE, that your pension is calculated under the old system. But just in case you're curious, the arithmetic in your case will be:

Old system: full old system pension (as you have more that 30 years) of £119.30 + £38.29 earnings related (mostly/all Additional State Pension, may include some Graduated Retirement Benefit if you worked pre 1975) = £157.59

New system: full new system pension (as you have more that 35 years) of £155.65 minus COPE of £64.91 = £90.74

The starting amount at 6-Apr-16 is the higher of the two, £157.59, and is in fact also the final amount, 'cos as it more than the full new state pension of £155.65 there is no way to boost it any further.

There will, of course, be pension increases, which are currently by the "triple lock" for your first £155.65 and by CPI for the remaining £1.94 (known as the "protected" amount). The triple lock is not in law but is a promise of the current government up to 2020. After that it is very likely that increases on the first £155.65 will be indexed solely by national average earnings, which is what the pensions act specifies.

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Re: Another State Pension Forecast Query

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Postby EasilyConfused » January 21st, 2017, 8:21 pm

Thank you all so much for taking the time to reply and for you clarifications; clearing all my doubts and concerns. Very much appreciated.

My plans for escape are back on track :D

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Re: Another State Pension Forecast Query

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Postby monabri » February 18th, 2017, 6:58 pm

You should get at least 157.59. Have another look at your pension after April 17. You can't boost it any further so put any spare money to other use!


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