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Expression of Wish - Disabled Persons Trust?
Posted: September 20th, 2023, 6:29 pm
by Sobraon
One of my children is disabled and we are in the process of setting up a 'disabled persons trust' for her via our solicitor and I am reviewing the 'Expression of Wish' form for my SIPPS.
I had planned to name her 'disabled persons trust' as one of my nominees to receive funds after my death however I read somewhere that distributions from a SIPP/PP after the death of the SIPP/PP account holder are subject to a tax charge (40%) as the distribution is to a trust and not a person.
I approached my solicitor who wouldn't comment. My IFA doesn't know. My SIPP holding company will not comment and a local accountant ( billed as a trust specialist) 'thinks' the tax charge is not made in the case of a 'disabled persons trust'.
Can anyone give me a steer on this please?
Re: Expression of Wish - Disabled Persons Trust?
Posted: September 20th, 2023, 8:09 pm
by ReformedCharacter
Sobraon wrote:One of my children is disabled and we are in the process of setting up a 'disabled persons trust' for her via our solicitor and I am reviewing the 'Expression of Wish' form for my SIPPS.
I had planned to name her 'disabled persons trust' as one of my nominees to receive funds after my death however I read somewhere that distributions from a SIPP/PP after the death of the SIPP/PP account holder are subject to a tax charge (40%) as the distribution is to a trust and not a person.
I approached my solicitor who wouldn't comment. My IFA doesn't know. My SIPP holding company will not comment and a local accountant ( billed as a trust specialist) 'thinks' the tax charge is not made in the case of a 'disabled persons trust'.
Can anyone give me a steer on this please?
I think there are a few people on this board who may be able to help. Failing that, you may find Mencap helpful:
https://www.mencap.org.uk/advice-and-support/wills-and-trusts-serviceRC
Re: Expression of Wish - Disabled Persons Trust?
Posted: September 20th, 2023, 10:02 pm
by Sobraon
Thanks RC, my daughter does not have a learning disability and I had seen the Mencap service but I think its very much designed for people with a learning disability so is not appropriate for her. Thanks for your thoughts.
Re: Expression of Wish - Disabled Persons Trust?
Posted: September 20th, 2023, 10:51 pm
by genou
Sobraon wrote:Thanks RC, my daughter does not have a learning disability and I had seen the Mencap service but I think its very much designed for people with a learning disability so is not appropriate for her. Thanks for your thoughts.
I think she is either a "vulnerable person" for tax purposes or she isn't - there is no analysis of why you are vulnerable. So the analysis of what happens to a SIPP "inheritor" will not vary. The "what to do" may vary, but the tax consequences will not.
Re: Expression of Wish - Disabled Persons Trust?
Posted: September 22nd, 2023, 6:53 pm
by Seasider
I am not sure if this is what you are thinking of - the special lump sum death benefits charge which the manual says is 45% not 40%, But in case it is and in case you can understand HMRC speak I attach a link to a page from the Pensions Tax Manual
https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manual ... /ptm073010I confess I had thought you could only nominate individuals or a charity but somewhere in the manual it says you can nominate anyone including trustees as long as the scheme rules allow it.
The tax treatment seems weird to me - why should you pay income tax on a lump sum death benefit?
Anyway I hope that helps.
Re: Expression of Wish - Disabled Persons Trust?
Posted: September 22nd, 2023, 10:45 pm
by Sobraon
Many thanks Seasider, not sure I understand the implications of the HMRC page as I will need to think carefully about it.
Surprised this seems to have bypassed my solicitor (a trust specialist), my accountant ( advertises themselves as a trust specialists) and the pension company (who accepts trusts on the beneficiary form).
So thanks again everyone for your thoughts.