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Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: December 29th, 2023, 11:52 am
by scotia
I have received a letter from Mercia Ventures which includes a Replacement Share Certificate for my (multiple) current Northern 3 VCT share certificates.
It would appear to be a result of the change of share registrar from Equiniti to The City Partnership. I have had several other changes of registrar with other VCTs but none have affected Share certificates.
It would appear that Equiniti confirmed the number of shares, however they were unable (in a small number of cases) to provide the full list of share certificates to which these holdings relate. Hence Mercia Ventures has cancelled these earlier share certificates and has issue a new (single) Northern 3 VCT share certificate dated 10th December 2023. I have been advised that I may destroy my original share certificates.
Fortunately I have retained the original certificates along with the dated tax rebate certificates.
Are there any other Northern 3 VCT holders that have been similarly affected?

Re: Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: December 29th, 2023, 12:21 pm
by oxmatt
Yes - for all of Northern 1, 2 and 3.

Surname near the end of the alphabet.

Re: Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: December 29th, 2023, 1:46 pm
by scotia
oxmatt wrote:Yes - for all of Northern 1, 2 and 3.

Surname near the end of the alphabet.

So far only the Northern 3 is affected in my holdings (I had 4 certificates). I also hold Northern 2 (in 1 certificate).
My surname is near the beginning of the alphabet.

Re: Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: December 29th, 2023, 1:56 pm
by cprof
NVT only for me ( I also hold 2&3). I was quite pleased that the replacement of 18 certificates ( result of frequent DRIS participation) reduced the size of my bulging VCT certifcate file (bulging, again because of DRIS). It is a real nuisance that DRIS participation is not possible from nominee accounts.

Re: Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: December 29th, 2023, 2:14 pm
by Karellan
I thought it odd too. I have had a new consolidated certificate for N1 and N2. I hold N3 too.

I have many VCTs whose registrar has changed and the old registrars certificate is all I have.

Re: Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: December 29th, 2023, 5:34 pm
by UncleEbenezer
I've had some replacement certificates in my time. In the case of Crapita Registrars (very likely re: Ventus), I had to jump through hoops to convince them the two shareholders with identical name, address date of birth, NI number and bank account were indeed the same person (me).

No more of that since the shares are held in a nominee account.

Re: Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: December 29th, 2023, 8:10 pm
by Karellan
The post around here is a bit slow so possibly I will get an N3 consolidation certificate from the new registrars.

I think that there has been a lot of change and consolidation in the registrars ( fallout from Woodford ? ). City partnership seems to have picked up a lot of new business and ComputerShare has most of what is left. I think Proven is still with Link. Its probably worth getting ones online representation of ones holdings checked and up to date just in case somebody manages to lose something else. I think that Computershare has recently improved their security and will probably require re registration.

Re: Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: March 23rd, 2024, 10:20 am
by onslow
Interesting - I never received the replacement share certs for my holdings in the 3 Norther VCTs.

Ive tried to deposit the certs & sell these VCTs with Jarvis, however of course they are saying I need to send them the new certs - which I dont have.

After speaking to the VCT and their new registrar apparently I need to pay a £25 fee per certificate as its considered that I've lost the originals, and thus need to fund replacements.

I'm tempted to actually make some noise and issue regarding this - they have unilaterally cancelled the certs, I haven't received replacement and if they insists on me paying the £75 I'll go to Small Claims Court to seek a refund along with any court costs. My issue is with the VCT as it was there decision to change registrars and ultimately reissue share certificates.

Thoughts?

Re: Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: March 23rd, 2024, 11:01 am
by UncleEbenezer
onslow wrote:
Thoughts?

Sounds like the kind of thing someone must've faced before.

Perhaps there might be similar stories out there if you google, or look around the websites of financial journos like Mr Lewis of Ms Somerset-Webb, or indeed TMF. And if not, maybe they'd take up your story?

Re: Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: March 23rd, 2024, 12:37 pm
by scotia
onslow wrote:Interesting - I never received the replacement share certs for my holdings in the 3 Norther VCTs.

Ive tried to deposit the certs & sell these VCTs with Jarvis, however of course they are saying I need to send them the new certs - which I dont have.

After speaking to the VCT and their new registrar apparently I need to pay a £25 fee per certificate as its considered that I've lost the originals, and thus need to fund replacements.

I'm tempted to actually make some noise and issue regarding this - they have unilaterally cancelled the certs, I haven't received replacement and if they insists on me paying the £75 I'll go to Small Claims Court to seek a refund along with any court costs. My issue is with the VCT as it was there decision to change registrars and ultimately reissue share certificates.

Thoughts?

Strange! I received the letter and a new share certificate for Northern 3. The accompanying letter indicates that only a certain number of Northern 3 certificates were affected - my inference was that a significant number were not affected and their original certificates were still valid.
I received no letter concerning my Northern 2 shares - so I assume they are still valid.
So my first guess at your problem is that your current certificates are still valid - and Jarvis are making a mistake. I know that you have consulted the VCT about certificate replacement, but have maybe not clarified that you still have the original certificates.
Alternatively, your original certificates may have been replaced, but have been sent to an old address.
The letter (dated 15/12/23) which arrived with my replacement certificate contained the following text:-
If you have any questions regarding your replacement share certificate, please contact Mercia via email at vctshareholderenquiries@mercia.co.uk

Re: Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: March 24th, 2024, 11:01 am
by Kidman
I am a Northern VCT 3 shareholder who did not receive a replacement share certificate.

At present I am not considering selling my shares but am concerned that this could be difficult given the posts on this thread.
There must be many shareholders who have not received a new share certificate and don't read these posts. They could be in for a shock some time in the future.

Perhaps all of us who have any holdings where we have not received a new share certificate should be writing to the Registrar and Mercia asking them to clarify the position?

Re: Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: March 24th, 2024, 1:05 pm
by scotia
Kidman wrote:I am a Northern VCT 3 shareholder who did not receive a replacement share certificate.

At present I am not considering selling my shares but am concerned that this could be difficult given the posts on this thread.
There must be many shareholders who have not received a new share certificate and don't read these posts. They could be in for a shock some time in the future.

Perhaps all of us who have any holdings where we have not received a new share certificate should be writing to the Registrar and Mercia asking them to clarify the position?

I didn't receive a replacement certificate for my Northern 2 VCT - so I assumed it was OK. It's 5 year hold is up at the beginning of April, and my normal practice is now to shift such end-of-5yr-hold VCTs into non-certificated form with Hargreaves Lansdown. So sometime in early April I will find out if there is any problem. All of my Northern 3 VCT share certificates were re-issued as a single "new" certificate, but it replaces former components which were issued at various times, with the last one due to reach its 5 year hold next January.

Re: Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: March 27th, 2024, 9:24 pm
by Kidman
I logged in to the Northern VCT share portal and managed to get my way down to a list of share certificates. Not only did they match the ones that I hold but they were marked "live" which apparently means that they are still valid and should be accepted by any broker.

Re: Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: April 25th, 2024, 11:24 am
by scotia
scotia wrote:
Kidman wrote:I am a Northern VCT 3 shareholder who did not receive a replacement share certificate.

At present I am not considering selling my shares but am concerned that this could be difficult given the posts on this thread.
There must be many shareholders who have not received a new share certificate and don't read these posts. They could be in for a shock some time in the future.

Perhaps all of us who have any holdings where we have not received a new share certificate should be writing to the Registrar and Mercia asking them to clarify the position?

I didn't receive a replacement certificate for my Northern 2 VCT - so I assumed it was OK. It's 5 year hold is up at the beginning of April, and my normal practice is now to shift such end-of-5yr-hold VCTs into non-certificated form with Hargreaves Lansdown. So sometime in early April I will find out if there is any problem. All of my Northern 3 VCT share certificates were re-issued as a single "new" certificate, but it replaces former components which were issued at various times, with the last one due to reach its 5 year hold next January.

Update - my Northern 2 VCT share certificate has been safely lodged with Hargreaves Lansdown. I have requested it be sold, and have been told there is no current market, but there will be a buy back in June or July. I have left it with instructions to sell at such an event. (I have done this with other VCT certificates in the past)

Re: Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: May 4th, 2024, 3:49 pm
by Kidman
Ths morning I received a letter from City Registrars addressed to holders of any of the Northern VCTs.
It requested details of tax identifers, e.g. National Insurance numbers, for FATCA/CRS purposes.

I have had the odd one or two of these for non-VCTs but it seems a bit daft to do this for a VCT when we have to give our NINo in all the share applications.

Re: Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: May 6th, 2024, 6:57 pm
by yorkshirelad1
Kidman wrote:Ths morning I received a letter from City Registrars addressed to holders of any of the Northern VCTs.
It requested details of tax identifers, e.g. National Insurance numbers, for FATCA/CRS purposes.

I have had the odd one or two of these for non-VCTs but it seems a bit daft to do this for a VCT when we have to give our NINo in all the share applications.


Me too.
E-mail from Northern VCTs (or more correctly, their Registrars, City).
(E-mail sent on 3 May 15:31, Friday afternoon before a bank holiday, and also diverted into my spam folder ....: not likely to get any prompt attention....)
Not the one about share certificates, but this time about FATCA

Northern VCT/City Registrars wrote:Dear Shareholder,

Companies: Northern Venture Trust PLC
Northern 2 VCT PLC
Northern 3 VCT PLC

Individual Holder Tax Residency Self-Certification Form – Action Required

We are writing to you because you are or have been an investor in one or more of the above Companies (the “Companies”) in the last tax year. The law requires us to collect, retain and report certain information about our investors, including their tax residency, to comply with the tax reporting regulations set out by the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) and/or the Common Reporting Standard (CRS), commonly referred to as the Automatic Exchange of Information (AEOI).

As an investor you are required to provide certain information to the Company, including your country/ies of residence for tax purposes. If your declared country/countries of residence for tax purposes is/are not the same as that of the Company and is/are either the US or on the Organisation for Economic Co-operation list of countries which have agreed to exchange information, the Company will be obliged to share this information with its local tax authority, which may then share it with other international tax authorities.

What you need to do

Please complete the attached Tax Residency Self-Certification Form and return it to us either by email at northernvcts@city.uk.com or via post to the address above.

Please note that:

  • All investors are treated as individuals for these tax purposes; therefore, the form must be completed by all parties associated with this shareholding.
  • If you fail to provide this information, the Company may be legally obliged to report details of your investment, dividend income and any interest earned to the relevant tax authority.
  • If any of the information about your tax residency changes, you are required to provide the Company with a new, updated, self-certification form within 30 days of such change in circumstances.

To assist your understanding of what FATCA and CRS means to you, we have included some Frequently Asked Questions which may answer any queries you may have along with the tax residency form.

Please be advised that if you have recently sold your shares, you are still required to complete a tax residency self-certification form, as the Company may still be required to report details of your account in the reportable tax year.

If you have any questions about how to complete this form, or about how to determine your tax residency status, you should contact your tax adviser as we are unable to provide tax advice.

Yours sincerely,

Danielle Myring
Director of Registrar & Receiving Agent Services


Not seen this before, and I have 2 other VCTs (Kings Arms Yard and Chrysalis VCT/in liquidation)

Has anyone else had similar?
(I hold Northern 2 VCT, certificated)


(Here's the FAQ and form (4 pages, jpgs): https://imgur.com/a/EdLk9pv)

Re: Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: May 6th, 2024, 6:58 pm
by yorkshirelad1
Kidman wrote:Ths morning I received a letter from City Registrars addressed to holders of any of the Northern VCTs.
It requested details of tax identifers, e.g. National Insurance numbers, for FATCA/CRS purposes.

I have had the odd one or two of these for non-VCTs but it seems a bit daft to do this for a VCT when we have to give our NINo in all the share applications.


Similar thread at https://lemonfool.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=43298

Re: Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: May 7th, 2024, 1:20 pm
by yorkshirelad1
yorkshirelad1 wrote:Me too.
E-mail from Northern VCTs (or more correctly, their Registrars, City).
(E-mail sent on 3 May 15:31, Friday afternoon before a bank holiday, and also diverted into my spam folder ....: not likely to get any prompt attention....)
Not the one about share certificates, but this time about FATCA
(snip)


I've just phoned City Registrars and it seems all they wanted was my DoB and Nat Ins number which I gave them over the phone, and that's all they wanted. Saved a lot of form filling and faffing around.

Contact details on the e-mail matched those on the website https://city.uk.com/contact.html

Re: Northern 3 VCT - strange letter

Posted: May 7th, 2024, 7:03 pm
by Karellan
yorkshirelad1 wrote:
I've just phoned City Registrars and it seems all they wanted was my DoB and Nat Ins number which I gave them over the phone, and that's all they wanted. Saved a lot of form filling and faffing around.



Bizarre as they have done this with the Mobeus and the Northerns. Dont they realise that they could get in excess of 10 , 000 replies.

Thanks for the tip , I will ring them soon.