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Double Yellow Lines

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Postby Alaric » January 9th, 2017, 12:45 am

In tonight's Endeavour, set in 1967, there was no attempt to mask the double yellow "No waiting" lines, when filming on location in Oxford.

They might well be right, but when were they introduced? The Wilson government between 1964 and 1970 was responsible for a number of social reforms. These included a 70 mph speed limit and probably the double yellows, but when?

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Re: Double Yellow Lines

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Postby gryffron » January 9th, 2017, 12:57 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_line_(road_marking)#Double_yellow_lines
"Double yellow lines... were first introduced in the UK by section 51[15] of the Road Traffic Act 1960"

FWIW what really annoys me on tv are pre-motor-car programs where the roads have the distinctive double-track ruts left ONLY by motor vehicles. Horse drawn vehicles chew up the entire lane, since the horse is actually worse than the cart.

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Re: Double Yellow Lines

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Postby Breelander » January 9th, 2017, 1:17 am

Alaric wrote:...when were they introduced? The Wilson government between 1964 and 1970 was responsible for a number of social reforms. These included a 70 mph speed limit and probably the double yellows, but when?


According to Wikipedia...
Double yellow lines mean no waiting at any time, unless there are signs that specifically indicate seasonal restrictions.[8] They were first introduced in the UK by section 51[15] of the Road Traffic Act 1960[16] (repealed in 1972 and replaced by later legislation).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_li ... 29#History

...but other sources say 'earlier'...
The 1950s saw the arrival of the yellow lines and the restrictions on waiting, loading and unloading.
http://www.trafficsignsandmeanings.co.u ... igned.html

Either way, they're correct for 1967.

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Re: Double Yellow Lines

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Postby Slarti » January 9th, 2017, 11:43 am

gryffron wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_line_(road_marking)#Double_yellow_lines
"Double yellow lines... were first introduced in the UK by section 51[15] of the Road Traffic Act 1960"

FWIW what really annoys me on tv are pre-motor-car programs where the roads have the distinctive double-track ruts left ONLY by motor vehicles. Horse drawn vehicles chew up the entire lane, since the horse is actually worse than the cart.

gryff


http://www.searlecanada.org/sunderland/images5/vaux5.jpg was quite common

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Re: Double Yellow Lines

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Postby gryffron » January 9th, 2017, 12:40 pm



Sure, but it doesn't matter. In your picture the horses are the full width of the vehicle. Their hooves chew up the entire lane, much worse than the unpowered cart wheels. So even the vehicle you pictured wouldn't cause the distinctive motor vehicle double-rut.

This picture shows a typical road surface chewed up by horse drawn vehicles. Of course rain/mud made it worse. But even after it dried out the surface wouldn't look much different.

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Re: Double Yellow Lines

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Postby Slarti » January 9th, 2017, 12:42 pm

gryffron wrote:


Sure, but it doesn't matter. In your picture the horses are the full width of the vehicle. Their hooves chew up the entire lane, much worse than the unpowered cart wheels. So even the vehicle you pictured wouldn't cause the distinctive motor vehicle double-rut.

This picture shows a typical road surface chewed up by horse drawn vehicles. Of course rain/mud made it worse. But even after it dried out the surface wouldn't look much different.

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Then why are there the distinctive double ruts in Roman roads that fell out of use long before motorised transport?

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Re: Double Yellow Lines

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Postby gryffron » January 9th, 2017, 12:59 pm

Slarti wrote:Then why are there the distinctive double ruts in Roman roads that fell out of use long before motorised transport


http://www.mmdtkw.org/VRomanRoads.html
while wear may have deepened and broadened some ruts slightly, they were invariably carved into the roads intentionally and by hand to keep traffic going the way it was planned to go. Ruts were carved ... to prevent side-slipping and to keep wagons "on track".

Read the whole link for more info.

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Re: Double Yellow Lines

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Postby bungeejumper » January 9th, 2017, 1:00 pm

Alaric wrote:In tonight's Endeavour, set in 1967, there was no attempt to mask the double yellow "No waiting" lines, when filming on location in Oxford.

Going back to the OP's question, we have several villages round here that get used for 'heritage' filming - Lark Rise to Candleford, and so forth.

Usually the special effects team will arrive with a huge carpet on a lorry that covers the street asphalt with a roll-on coating of mud, grass and horse dung - which they then remove at 5 pm when they finish filming. ;) Any awkward street signs are covered up with flower baskets, pub signs or anything else that might look authentic. There's no cure for overhead power lines or Sky dishes, but an attentive camera crew will keep them out of shot. And when they don't, they can usually be sure that you'll be concentrating on the plot, not on the street scenery.

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