The Lemon Fool

Does anyone know why seemingly everyone already knows that the government's appeal in the Supreme Court regarding their prerogative powers to sign this Article 50 will fail (including by all accounts the government)?

Obviously I'm not desirous of a great lengthy discussion, I just wonder if I've missed something pretty obvious.

Thanks,
Chris

Genuine question (and perhaps I've just been unobservant) but where are people saying they know the outcome?

chas49 wrote:Genuine question (and perhaps I've just been unobservant) but where are people saying they know the outcome?

Well in the news they constantly refer to, well perhaps not knowing, but certainly expecting the government's appeal to fail. This has been reported on Radio 4 to my knowledge, and according to a workmate of mine, by Andrew Neil on "This Week."

I read there have been four versions of Acts of Parliament circulating because of this expectation. Once in a while I hear the conditional tense being used, suggesting that there is the possibility of the appeal succeeding, but actually quite rarely.

Regards,
Chris

chas49 wrote:Genuine question (and perhaps I've just been unobservant) but where are people saying they know the outcome?

Well the bookies seem pretty confident - https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/# ... .128049829

Just over evens for the High Court ruling to be upheld, 7/2 for it to be reversed.

For what it's worth I'm with the bookies, simply because the High Court judges who heard the case were top drawer and analysed the legal issues very impressively. It's difficult to see how their reasoning can be faulted.

And it can't do any harm that most if not all of the Law Lords hearing the appeal will be anti-Brexit anyway - it's amazing how often learned legal reasons can be found to support the desired outcome!

Clitheroekid wrote:...the High Court judges who heard the case were top drawer and analysed the legal issues very impressively. It's difficult to see how their reasoning can be faulted.

Thanks, that does seem plausible to me.

Clitheroekid wrote:And it can't do any harm that most if not all of the Law Lords hearing the appeal will be anti-Brexit anyway - it's amazing how often learned legal reasons can be found to support the desired outcome!

Just as an aside, is it those self same Law Lords that sit in the Lords that decamped to this new place and now act under the name of the Supreme Court do you know?

Thanks, Chris

I don't know the outcome, but there are two other points not mentioned below:

1) if gov win then I believe Remain-side can appeal it at European level
2) whereas if gov loses then they have said they will not appeal it at European level (instead going direct to Parliament, hence prepping bills)

So in a sense it is not an equal fight. Which side you think is unequal is a matter of opinion.

regards, dspp

dspp wrote:1) if gov win then I believe Remain-side can appeal it at European level

If this does happen then it opens the possibility of a very interesting political situation: a European court telling the UK government it does not have the authority to initiate proceedings to leave the EU. The press will have a field day.

Bigfoot111 wrote:

dspp wrote:1) if gov win then I believe Remain-side can appeal it at European level

If this does happen then it opens the possibility of a very interesting political situation: a European court telling the UK government it does not have the authority to initiate proceedings to leave the EU. The press will have a field day.

Such an eventuality will also delay BREXIT irrespective of the outcome and could even turn the next Election into another Referendum on whether we leave or stay in the EU.

Just been announced on radio that Supreme Court says it has to go through Parliament.


Interesting times.
Slarti

Slarti wrote:Just been announced on radio that Supreme Court says it has to go through Parliament.


Interesting times.
Slarti

By 8 to 3. So much for the touted 7 to 4.

Predictable and illogical frothing from the right-wing tabloids.

77ss wrote:Predictable and illogical frothing from the right-wing tabloids.

Some of them believe neither in the sovereignty of parliament nor the rule of law. Just in rule by press campaign and ill-informed mob.

They've been misinforming us for 30 years in pursuit of brexit, and they're not stopping now.

77ss wrote:

Slarti wrote:Just been announced on radio that Supreme Court says it has to go through Parliament.


Interesting times.
Slarti

By 8 to 3. So much for the touted 7 to 4.

Predictable and illogical frothing from the right-wing tabloids.

Wouldn't the tabloids have been frothing, whatever the result?

Its what they do, isn't it?

Slarti