NS&I rates

[PinkDalek]

The FSCS leaflet https://www.fscs.org.uk/globalassets/ba ... eaflet.pdf includes:

About FSCS

FSCS is here to protect your money. It is the body which gives you automatic protection up to £85,000 if your bank, building society or credit union goes out of business; and you’ll normally get your money back within seven days. FSCS is funded by the financial services industry and is free to consumers. So, whatever your money is for, it’s good to know it’s protected. ...

How long would it take to get my money back?

In most cases, for deposits, FSCS aims to pay compensation within seven days of a bank, building society or credit union failing. We will pay any remaining deposit claims, which are likely to be more complex, within 15 working days. ...

The FSCS is not operated by nor guaranteed by ‘The Government’.

Whereas NS&I products are backed by HM Treasury.

I wasn’t merely commenting on your post (although I felt it was adding to the confusion) as you too were talking about Government guarantees, which aren’t relevant re the £85,000 and the 7 days.

The two issues were getting conflated (in the modern sense).

[AleisterCrowley]

I have quite a lot of index linked N S & I certs and I just let them roll over every three years. The interest is not great but at least there is some ...
Dod

I've got a couple of NS Index Linked - the interest is now effectively zero !
I think it's 0.01%, so a quid for each £10,000

[Dod101]

Well I have about a dozen certs all due at different times and it would hardly be surprising if inflation did not rear its head at some point in the not too distant future so I will happily stick with them. In any case we are more or less retaining purchasing power if nothing else (and currently there is nothing else!)

Dod

[mc2fool]

I've got a couple of NS Index Linked - the interest is now effectively zero !
I think it's 0.01%, so a quid for each £10,000

The real interest rate is effectively zero -- which is better than other accounts have offered over most of the last decade when savings accounts have been offering negative real interest rates. And those were taxable too, whereas the NS&I linkers are tax free.

As it happens, CPI is 0.5% right now so it's possible to get positive real interest rates at the moment, but that's (mostly) not been the norm since the global financial crises.

[Bouleversee]

I thiught the most recent cpi rate was 0.7%.

[mc2fool]

I thiught the most recent cpi rate was 0.7%.

That's CPIH.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/bulletins/consumerpriceinflation/may2020

[AF62]

The FSCS leaflet https://www.fscs.org.uk/globalassets/ba ... eaflet.pdf includes:

About FSCS

FSCS is here to protect your money. It is the body which gives you automatic protection up to £85,000 if your bank, building society or credit union goes out of business; and you’ll normally get your money back within seven days. FSCS is funded by the financial services industry and is free to consumers. So, whatever your money is for, it’s good to know it’s protected. ...

How long would it take to get my money back?

In most cases, for deposits, FSCS aims to pay compensation within seven days of a bank, building society or credit union failing. We will pay any remaining deposit claims, which are likely to be more complex, within 15 working days. ...

The FSCS is not operated by nor guaranteed by ‘The Government’.

Whereas NS&I products are backed by HM Treasury.

I wasn’t merely commenting on your post (although I felt it was adding to the confusion) as you too were talking about Government guarantees, which aren’t relevant re the £85,000 and the 7 days.

The two issues were getting conflated (in the modern sense).

So if there is a run on a bank, which then escalates to all of them such to such an extent that the government couldn't step in, then does the FSCS have a big stack of cash in an underground vault to cover everyone's £85k?

[Bouleversee]

I thiught the most recent cpi rate was 0.7%.

That's CPIH.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/bulletins/consumerpriceinflation/may2020

p.

So it is. I didn't notice the H when I looked up CPI a few days ago and may not have read as far as that short reference to CPI at the bottom.. What is the point of measuring inflation without including housing costs whilst including gin etc? What is CPIH used for, then, and RPI for that matter? Why do we need so many indices? All I know is that my outgoings have increased a lot more than any of them.

[stevensfo]

I thiught the most recent cpi rate was 0.7%.

That's CPIH.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/bulletins/consumerpriceinflation/may2020

p.

So it is. I didn't notice the H when I looked up CPI a few days ago and may not have read as far as that short reference to CPI at the bottom.. What is the point of measuring inflation without including housing costs whilst including gin etc? What is CPIH used for, then, and RPI for that matter? Why do we need so many indices? All I know is that my outgoings have increased a lot more than any of them.

I guess it's not easy to arrive at an inflation figure that represents everyone equally. Somebody who commutes via public transport may be affected differently to someone who drives etc. But as a rule of thumb, I stick to the RPI and add 1%. Seems closer to reality than the CPI.

Steve

[PinkDalek]

So if there is a run on a bank, which then escalates to all of them such to such an extent that the government couldn't step in, then does the FSCS have a big stack of cash in an underground vault to cover everyone's £85k?

I was attempting to clarify a couple of things in a reply to mp (who I didn’t quote second time around) but not the Armageddon scenario.

I think the order is the FSCS reserves to cover losses, wherever held, then an attempted call on the relevant institutions & then, as you’ve previously suggested, we’d be looking to the Government.

If that fails, dig for victory.

[DrBunsenHoneydew]

What is CPIH used for, then, and RPI for that matter? Why do we need so many indices? All I know is that my outgoings have increased a lot more than any of them.

There is a plan afoot to replace RPI with CPIH eventually.

[mike]

Well, this should ensure rates stay where they are. Perhaps even the return of Index-Linkers

Savers have been boosted after the Government-owned National Savings & Investments was ordered to dramatically increase customer deposits.

NS&I has been asked to bring in net deposits of £35bn by next April to help the Government fund the costs of coronavirus recovery schemes. Its previous target was to raise £6bn this financial year.

Analysts said this six-fold increase would prevent savings rates, which have collapsed since the start of the pandemic, from falling further.

Full story is paywalled, but if you have a subscription https://www.telegraph.co.uk/personal-banking/savings/boost-savers-government-orders-nsi-increase-deposits-six-fold/

[yorkshirelad1]

Well, this should ensure rates stay where they are. Perhaps even the return of Index-Linkers

Savers have been boosted after the Government-owned National Savings & Investments was ordered to dramatically increase customer deposits.

NS&I has been asked to bring in net deposits of £35bn by next April to help the Government fund the costs of coronavirus recovery schemes. Its previous target was to raise £6bn this financial year.

Analysts said this six-fold increase would prevent savings rates, which have collapsed since the start of the pandemic, from falling further.

Full story is paywalled, but if you have a subscription https://www.telegraph.co.uk/personal-banking/savings/boost-savers-government-orders-nsi-increase-deposits-six-fold/

Here's a similar article that isn't paywalled (there was a similar story in today's Times Sat 18 July 2020 but The Times paywalled too):
https://www.yourmoney.com/saving-banking/nsi-revised-deposit-target-means-best-buy-savings-likely-to-hang-around/
Essentially, for NS&I, the govt have increased the annual borrowing limit from £6bn to £35bn, and also suspended the "value indicator", which prevents NS&I from being too generouse with its interest rates, for anotehr 3 months.
And the horse's mouth: https://nsandi-corporate.com/news-research/news/nsi-2020-21-net-financing-target-revised-ps35-billion-and-nsi-issues-provisional

[PinkDalek]

[Essentially, for NS&I, the govt have increased the annual borrowing limit from £6bn to £35bn, and also suspended the "value indicator", which prevents NS&I from being too generouse with its interest rates, for anotehr 3 months. ...

Thanks for the horse if the mouth, which is often the best place to look.

Another 3 months is already running though, in view of the:

This suspension has been extended for a further three months to 30 September 2020 to reflect ongoing exceptional market conditions.

[yorkshirelad1]

Well, this should ensure rates stay where they are. Perhaps even the return of Index-Linkers

Savers have been boosted after the Government-owned National Savings & Investments was ordered to dramatically increase customer deposits.

NS&I has been asked to bring in net deposits of £35bn by next April to help the Government fund the costs of coronavirus recovery schemes. Its previous target was to raise £6bn this financial year.

Analysts said this six-fold increase would prevent savings rates, which have collapsed since the start of the pandemic, from falling further.

Full story is paywalled, but if you have a subscription https://www.telegraph.co.uk/personal-banking/savings/boost-savers-government-orders-nsi-increase-deposits-six-fold/

Here's a similar article that isn't paywalled (there was a similar story in today's Times Sat 18 July 2020 but The Times paywalled too):
https://www.yourmoney.com/saving-banking/nsi-revised-deposit-target-means-best-buy-savings-likely-to-hang-around/
Essentially, for NS&I, the govt have increased the annual borrowing limit from £6bn to £35bn, and also suspended the "value indicator", which prevents NS&I from being too generouse with its interest rates, for anotehr 3 months.
And the horse's mouth: https://nsandi-corporate.com/news-research/news/nsi-2020-21-net-financing-target-revised-ps35-billion-and-nsi-issues-provisional

In today's (24 July 2020) Chronic Investor, Bearbull has an article (p. 15) on NS&I's activities at the moment
The article is on their website but it's paywalled
https://www.investorschronicle.co.uk/comment/2020/07/23/savings-opportunities/

[mike]

In today's (24 July 2020) Chronic Investor, Bearbull has an article (p. 15) on NS&I's activities at the moment
The article is on their website but it's paywalled
https://www.investorschronicle.co.uk/comment/2020/07/23/savings-opportunities/

You can get round the IC's paywall in the same way as the FT's using Google. Best to do it in private browsing/inognito etc so cookies aren't stored

Follow the first link here https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=investors+chronicle+Savings+opportunities

[scotia]

And the horse's mouth: https://nsandi-corporate.com/news-research/news/nsi-2020-21-net-financing-target-revised-ps35-billion-and-nsi-issues-provisional

So it appears NS&I are already ahead of the revised target. First quarter net financing is £14.5B , with a full year target of £35B. So I fear they won't be in a hurry to increase interest rates, and unfortunately the reverse still seems a possibility.

[yorkshirelad1]

In today's (24 July 2020) Chronic Investor, Bearbull has an article (p. 15) on NS&I's activities at the moment
The article is on their website but it's paywalled
https://www.investorschronicle.co.uk/comment/2020/07/23/savings-opportunities/

And another article on NS&I re Premium Bonds in Saturday's FT (Sat 25 July 2020)
Investors put faith in premium bond jackpot (FT Money, page 3)
via Google: https://www.google.com/search?&q=site%3Aft.com+investors+flocked+premium+bonds

[Redmires]

One gets the feeling that they would meet the revised target overnight if they doubled the limit from £50k to £100k.

[mike]

Good grief

The rates on all products are being slashed from 24 November

eg The rate on Income Bonds is being reduced from 1.16% to 0.01%, Direct Saver from 0.90 to 0.10%

https://www.nsandi.com/our-products

Strange, HMG need funds at the moment, and this will just get people to move their money. Time to look for something else !