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Gas and Electricty

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby AF62 » September 21st, 2021, 9:57 am

bruncher wrote:Hasn't the entire privatisation exercise been a waste of everyone's time? Well regulated monopolies would have saved us all this hassle.


Back twenty odd years ago I bought a house, and the house was connected to the gas mains. What I didn't know about then was 'Independent Gas Transporters' (IGTs), but I was soon about to find out fast.

Back in the early 90's the government of the time decided to introduce competition to the market to connect new homes to the gas main, rather than the house builders just pay Transco's set fees (or NationalGrid as it is now). The argument was that competition would reduce prices, and that was a 'good thing'.

Reduce prices it did, with the IGTs far undercutting Transco's fees, so far so good. But then came the next problem.

When you pay your energy supplier for gas, part of the supplier's costs are paying for the gas to be moved through the national gas grid to get to your home. With Transco the charge to move the gas hundreds of miles across the country was tiny compared to the cost of the gas itself. However with the IGTs and the last 20 feet of pipe from the street to your house; well their response was "That will be £50 a year please" to the energy supplier.

"Hang on" the government said "that isn't what we intended" - to which the response from the IGTs was "well there is nothing in the regulations you created to put a maximum on what we can charge". OK said the government, well we will put a cap on now, to which the response from the IGTs was - "if you do we will take you to court for the lost profit we will get over the next 20 years or so".

Thus for 10 years or more, before Ofgem finally fixed the problem, choosing a gas supplier was tricky because there were only two or three firms who didn't pass on the £50 charge to the consumer as a surcharge, with the rest doing so but hiding the fact they did in their small print.

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby UncleEbenezer » September 21st, 2021, 10:06 am

airbus330 wrote:(honorable mention to OVO, who were unusually good and paid interest on your overpayment).


Past tense there? How much of that has changed?

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby Sunnypad » September 21st, 2021, 10:29 am

I was a wee tot when everything was privatised. I was puzzled and wondering who Sid was. in my toddler brain, I didn't know anyone called Sid so how could I tell him?! And what was the urgency?! :D

Is there any validity to Johnson's comments on the "economy waking up"? I am trying not to worry about mum, who is 83 soon and everything is gas in her home.her house is freezing in summer!

Everything is on leccy at my place.

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby pje16 » September 21st, 2021, 10:51 am

It was a very well known campaign at the time
No social media or mobiles back then but pretty much everyone at the time knew who "Sid" was
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15792873

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby Sunnypad » September 21st, 2021, 11:21 am

pje16 wrote:It was a very well known campaign at the time
No social media or mobiles back then but pretty much everyone at the time knew who "Sid" was
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15792873


Yes but I was only 10! :lol:

I did think I was younger though.

Email just in as I was typing this

They think my account is in credit because the meter readings aren't up to date
But they are

This is just a massive mess isn't it, there's no point calling again.

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby staffordian » September 21st, 2021, 11:42 am

bruncher wrote:
staffordian wrote:
bruncher wrote:
I was in this situation a couple of years ago. I was told to do nothing, then I was transferred to Octopus, on their standard variable tariff. It was possible to switch tariff.

I left Octopus three months ago, perhaps I'll be sent back.

Can you recall the sort of timescale involved?

Are we talking days, weeks or months before a transfer?

Just thinking that any gas or electricity used between now and then is at an unknown, but doubtless far more expensive price...


I heard today that I've been passed to EDF. Maybe at least I will have juice, since I assume they get priority supply from the home country.


We too have been moved to EDF. Just had a welcome email from them outlining the transfer process.

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby pje16 » September 21st, 2021, 11:51 am

I have a business account with EDF
Good luck - their systems are sh*t
they put me in the hand of the collectors even they hadn't notified me of 6 months bills :roll:
It's now sorted out finally and that included getting an email to confirm my account the link in which didn't work and said try later, even though it time expired in 24 hours

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby staffordian » September 21st, 2021, 12:05 pm

pje16 wrote:I have a business account with EDF
Good luck - their systems are sh*t
they put me in the hand of the collectors even they hadn't notified me of 6 months bills :roll:
It's now sorted out finally and that included getting an email to confirm my account the link in which didn't work and said try later, even though it time expired in 24 hours

Just calculated the effect of the swap on our annual energy cost. Up from £650 with Utility Point (no wonder they went bust!) to £1090 with EDF.

And crap systems as well.

All the good times :lol:

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby Stompa » September 21st, 2021, 12:18 pm

staffordian wrote:
pje16 wrote:I have a business account with EDF
Good luck - their systems are sh*t
they put me in the hand of the collectors even they hadn't notified me of 6 months bills :roll:
It's now sorted out finally and that included getting an email to confirm my account the link in which didn't work and said try later, even though it time expired in 24 hours

Just calculated the effect of the swap on our annual energy cost. Up from £650 with Utility Point (no wonder they went bust!) to £1090 with EDF.

And crap systems as well.

All the good times :lol:

Yes I've gone from £794 (just 3 months ago with Utility Point), to £923 (with PfP Energy) and now £1299 (with British Gas).Quite a hike!

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby Dod101 » September 21st, 2021, 12:49 pm

staffordian wrote:
pje16 wrote:
Dod101 wrote:I solve the monthly overpayment problem by paying quarterly in arrears as I have done all my life. Why do people give electricity companies more money than they need to?
Dod

You often get cheaper tariffs paying by DD
And if you are in significant credit - easy, ask for it back
My DD was reduced this year by a few pounds by Shell as I was 2paying more than I needed to, I was £3 in credit at the time :roll:

It is, of course, possible to pay quarterly in arrears by direct debit, so the two options should not be mutually exclusive, but Ive never seen this offered when looking at tariffs.

Presumably because it's not in the suppliers' interest to offer it when they can take a fixed monthly sum from their customers and build up a cash pile with it.


Yes That is what I do (pay quarterly by DD.

Dod

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby airbus330 » September 21st, 2021, 2:22 pm

UncleEbenezer wrote:
airbus330 wrote:(honorable mention to OVO, who were unusually good and paid interest on your overpayment).


Past tense there? How much of that has changed?

No idea what the current situation is, in 2018 it was 3% but doubt thats the case now. OVO built their business on great customer service, which it was, along with keen prices. They then went a bit green and the prices went up, so I left. Went to Toto, who were laughably bad at everything except price, they went bust, now AVRO for 3 seasons, who are probably going bust. Its all a bit of a hassle as I was tied into them til January on a great rate (which I need to be as our dual fuel is 2k a year) after which I had hoped the energy blip would have calmed down. As my wife said, just wear an extra jumper :lol:

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby 6Tricia » September 21st, 2021, 9:18 pm

OVO pays me 5% on the amount my account is in credit (that is after being a customer for several years! ) but in reality it's only pennies as I'm seldom more than a few pounds in credit!

Tricia

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby UncleEbenezer » September 22nd, 2021, 12:00 am

6Tricia wrote:OVO pays me 5% on the amount my account is in credit (that is after being a customer for several years! ) but in reality it's only pennies as I'm seldom more than a few pounds in credit!

Tricia

Thanks for confirming.

I helped my dad switch to ovo a few years back (and later to a better ovo tariff when they put him on standard variable). Last I heard he'd built up quite a surplus with them. I found out about the surplus, whereupon he expressed himself happy to continue building that surplus for as long as they didn't complain!

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby funduffer » September 22nd, 2021, 10:47 am

I have just completed my switch to Octopus Energy from EoN.

For electricity, I use their Go tariff, aimed at electric car users, which offers 4 hours of off-peak power for 5p a unit. What is more, the daytime rate for the other 20 hours is 15.18p per unit. All fixed for 12 months - not bad. I have an electric car, but the thing is, it seems I could have switched to Go even without the EV, which seems strange. It is a 'beta' tariff, which takes smart meter readings every 30 minutes, so we will see how it goes. I also have solar panels, but I use OVO for my SEG tariff, as I can't use Octopus's SEG if I have their Go tariff.

For gas, I have opted to take my chances and go for their variable tariff, which is much lower (at 3.759p per unit) than any fixed deal I can find. As Octopus say they are committed to charging less than the energy price cap rates, there is an upper bound to what I would have to pay this winter, which may well be less than the cap.

Altogether, I am happy with this outcome given the circumstances. Just hope Octopus are safe - they say they hedge!

FD

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby pompeygazza » September 22nd, 2021, 12:38 pm

Octopus have just hiked their prices too despite claiming "And despite these competitive prices, you're still receiving electricity 100% backed by renewable generation"

So if they're using renewables why the hike, oh i forgot Gas is a renewable!

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby Stompa » September 22nd, 2021, 3:14 pm

Avro and Green now gone.

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby swill453 » September 22nd, 2021, 5:19 pm

And Igloo looking to "restructure", apparently.

Scott.

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby kiloran » September 22nd, 2021, 5:57 pm

swill453 wrote:And Igloo looking to "restructure", apparently.

Scott.

DRAT!!!

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby Fluke » September 22nd, 2021, 6:41 pm

swill453 wrote:And Igloo looking to "restructure", apparently.

Scott.


What does that mean? I'm with them :(

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Re: Gas and Electricty

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Postby swill453 » September 22nd, 2021, 7:12 pm

Fluke wrote:
swill453 wrote:And Igloo looking to "restructure", apparently.

What does that mean? I'm with them :(

It's just what was said on Radio 4 PM programme.

There are a few news stories around, eg:

In fact, Igloo is in talks with Alvarez & Marsal to sort potential insolvency issues, Sky News reported.


https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/co ... 61018.html

Scott.


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