The Lemon Fool

scrumpyjack wrote:
I think you mean 400 pence per therm, don't you!?

scrumpyjack wrote:Why will they pay it back? Can you tell me of any time any British Government has paid back debt. They always kick the can down the road.
The only sense in which they ever reduce it is a a percentage of GDP. That isn't paying it back,

James wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:Why will they pay it back? Can you tell me of any time any British Government has paid back debt. They always kick the can down the road.
The only sense in which they ever reduce it is a a percentage of GDP. That isn't paying it back,

In the past decade it has paid off its WWI bonds, Gladstone's South Sea Bubble consolidation bond and its slave-owner compensation debt.
It does happen. But it can take a while.

BullDog wrote:And back on topic....... So we have had our Octopus GO tariff running for a while now. On the Octopus app we have been surprised just how successful the strategy of timeshifting our energy usage is. Typically, in a 24 hour period we are presently using between about 14 to 16 kw/hr of electricity. I estimate probably 80% of our daily electricity consumption is now between 12.30 and 04.30 each day. When we have another week or so history I will download the csv file from the Octopus app and see if I can determine more accurately the peak and off peak consumption.

We have timeshifted the following to only run on the four hour off peak tariff. Some or all of these now only run in the off peak period - PHEV charger, washing machine, dishwasher. In the winter when drying washing the (heat pump) drier will be used only in that period too.

Seems that so far we should have made a significant dent in the price we are paying for our electricity consumption. In the winter we will obviously be using the gas central heating and the gas price is 3x what it was previously. There's not a lot I can do there.

funduffer wrote:

BullDog wrote:And back on topic....... So we have had our Octopus GO tariff running for a while now. On the Octopus app we have been surprised just how successful the strategy of timeshifting our energy usage is.

Hi bulldog, I am glad you are getting the best from the Octopus Go tariff. If you are managing to get 80% of daily electricity usage during the nighttime off peak hours, that is very impressive. I get 55%, and that is with an electric car (which I charge at night)

FD

scotview wrote:
2 Almost as bad, I have sent 3 (three) emails to Octopus enquiring about an appropriate off peak, BEV, battery friendly tariff. So far a Marie Celeste silence.

3 These power companies are now really beginning to take the p*ss.

scotview wrote:
There's something not right with the energy business, cant put my finger on it but something has to give.

funduffer wrote:

BullDog wrote:And back on topic....... So we have had our Octopus GO tariff running for a while now. On the Octopus app we have been surprised just how successful the strategy of timeshifting our energy usage is. Typically, in a 24 hour period we are presently using between about 14 to 16 kw/hr of electricity. I estimate probably 80% of our daily electricity consumption is now between 12.30 and 04.30 each day. When we have another week or so history I will download the csv file from the Octopus app and see if I can determine more accurately the peak and off peak consumption.

We have timeshifted the following to only run on the four hour off peak tariff. Some or all of these now only run in the off peak period - PHEV charger, washing machine, dishwasher. In the winter when drying washing the (heat pump) drier will be used only in that period too.

Seems that so far we should have made a significant dent in the price we are paying for our electricity consumption. In the winter we will obviously be using the gas central heating and the gas price is 3x what it was previously. There's not a lot I can do there.

Hi bulldog, I am glad you are getting the best from the Octopus Go tariff. If you are managing to get 80% of daily electricity usage during the nighttime off peak hours, that is very impressive. I get 55%, and that is with an electric car (which I charge at night) and solar panels. We do breadmaking, washing, and dishwashing in the night hours, as well as charging the car. However that still leaves the kettle, iron, lights, and cooking during the peak hours, which of course are mitigated by the solar panels.

My wife now has a plan to cook at night, especially during the winter when solar power is low. I think she means putting in a stew in the oven on the timer, not getting up in the middle of the night!

FD

scotview wrote:

funduffer wrote:

BullDog wrote:And back on topic....... So we have had our Octopus GO tariff running for a while now. On the Octopus app we have been surprised just how successful the strategy of timeshifting our energy usage is.

Hi bulldog, I am glad you are getting the best from the Octopus Go tariff. If you are managing to get 80% of daily electricity usage during the nighttime off peak hours, that is very impressive. I get 55%, and that is with an electric car (which I charge at night)

FD

Hi guys, I'm glad that you are benefitting from Octopus Energy tariffs. Just a couple of points.

1 Our Scottish Power fixed tariff ended 2 weeks ago, I input my month end usage figures and they still haven't updated our end of July bill.

2 Almost as bad, I have sent 3 (three) emails to Octopus enquiring about an appropriate off peak, BEV, battery friendly tariff. So far a Marie Celeste silence.

3 These power companies are now really beginning to take the p*ss.

4 Even though you guys are doing a great job of minimising your Electricity Bill cost, do you realise that if you heated your homes with electricity your fuel bill would go up by about 15 times higher.

There's something not right with the energy business, cant put my finger on it but something has to give.

NotSure wrote:

scotview wrote:
There's something not right with the energy business, cant put my finger on it but something has to give.

I believe your current supplier, whoever that may be, is legally obliged to charge you at the capped rate. Other suppliers have no such obligation AIUI. Hence you'd be looking at the going rate from them, about 3x or 4x.

scotview wrote:
Thanks for that supportive comments but Octopus dont hesitate to tell you what good rates they can provide for BEV/Battery owners.

scotview wrote:

NotSure wrote:

scotview wrote:
There's something not right with the energy business, cant put my finger on it but something has to give.

I believe your current supplier, whoever that may be, is legally obliged to charge you at the capped rate. Other suppliers have no such obligation AIUI. Hence you'd be looking at the going rate from them, about 3x or 4x.

Thanks for that supportive comments but Octopus dont hesitate to tell you what good rates they can provide for BEV/Battery owners. Well, it looks like you are saying that BEV owners will just be whacked with X3 or X4 regardless....or worse still they will simply be ignored.

We do not personally have a problem since we have good insulation levels and zoned heating AND a very small condensing boiler with very high turn down efficiency. So the heating is sorted.

I am currently working on a rationing/power cut strategy. We have bottled gas and 3 virtually new portable heaters. We will additionally purchase 3 of the large 46kg bottles this month and that should see us through regardless, luckily we can store them safely. Our local supplier has guaranteed that he will reserve extra bottles if there is a serious shortage or run on bottled gas, we are good trusted customers. We have a gas hob for cooking so we're sorted. Anyone not preparing now will be screwed this winter.

scotview wrote:
I am currently working on a rationing/power cut strategy. We have bottled gas and 3 virtually new portable heaters. We will additionally purchase 3 of the large 46kg bottles this month and that should see us through regardless, luckily we can store them safely. Our local supplier has guaranteed that he will reserve extra bottles if there is a serious shortage or run on bottled gas, we are good trusted customers. We have a gas hob for cooking so we're sorted. Anyone not preparing now will be screwed this winter.

ReformedCharacter wrote:I remember my ever-practical father during the '70's reading his newspaper courtesy of a spare car battery, a length of cable with crocodile clips at one end and a spare headlight bulb on the other. I have a paraffin lamp and a lot of logs.
RC

pje16 wrote:

ReformedCharacter wrote:I remember my ever-practical father during the '70's reading his newspaper courtesy of a spare car battery, a length of cable with crocodile clips at one end and a spare headlight bulb on the other. I have a paraffin lamp and a lot of logs.
RC

and the Fire Brigade on speed dial

richlist wrote:

scotview wrote:

NotSure wrote:

scotview wrote:
There's something not right with the energy business, cant put my finger on it but something has to give.

I believe your current supplier, whoever that may be, is legally obliged to charge you at the capped rate. Other suppliers have no such obligation AIUI. Hence you'd be looking at the going rate from them, about 3x or 4x.

Thanks for that supportive comments but Octopus dont hesitate to tell you what good rates they can provide for BEV/Battery owners. Well, it looks like you are saying that BEV owners will just be whacked with X3 or X4 regardless....or worse still they will simply be ignored.

We do not personally have a problem since we have good insulation levels and zoned heating AND a very small condensing boiler with very high turn down efficiency. So the heating is sorted.

I am currently working on a rationing/power cut strategy. We have bottled gas and 3 virtually new portable heaters. We will additionally purchase 3 of the large 46kg bottles this month and that should see us through regardless, luckily we can store them safely. Our local supplier has guaranteed that he will reserve extra bottles if there is a serious shortage or run on bottled gas, we are good trusted customers. We have a gas hob for cooking so we're sorted. Anyone not preparing now will be screwed this winter.

Be aware that the use of bottled gas produces a lot of condensation.

ReformedCharacter wrote:I remember my ever-practical father during the '70's reading his newspaper courtesy of a spare car battery, a length of cable with crocodile clips at one end and a spare headlight bulb on the other. I have a paraffin lamp and a lot of logs.

RC

James wrote:

ReformedCharacter wrote:I remember my ever-practical father during the '70's reading his newspaper courtesy of a spare car battery, a length of cable with crocodile clips at one end and a spare headlight bulb on the other. I have a paraffin lamp and a lot of logs.

RC

As I kid I worked on a high-country station in NZ. Across the river there was a guy who was totally off-grid, with just an old wood stove for cooking and heating, and a small water-wheel that gave him enough DC for light and to run the radio.
He could be flooded- or snowed-in for months at a time so self-sufficiency was a matter of survival.