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Gas matters

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Re: Gas matters

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Postby Sorcery » June 6th, 2022, 5:05 pm

BullDog wrote:
Sorcery wrote:
Hallucigenia wrote:
Sorcery wrote:However I wonder what EU rules were in place to stop the EU becoming utterly dependent on Russian gas and find themselves inadvertently bankrolling a war? A UK mouse sized problem compared to an EU elephant?


It's weird, it's almost like individual member states had sovereign control of their energy policy and the Eurocrats in Brussels had limited powers or will to interfere in their sovereign affairs....

But you want Brussels to interfere in the running of individual member countries? You Euro-socialist you!

FWIW, this paper from 2014 gives an overview of where individual countries were at :
https://op.europa.eu/o/opportal-service ... t=#page=98

Since the invasion, this stuff has risen up the agenda for voters and hence elected governments across Europe, and they've increased the requirements for gas stored each year :
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/ ... S_BRI(2022)729393_EN.pdf


Well we know how much the EU states valued their own security, (not a lot if others were prepared to pay!), so I suspect EU states were presented with pipelines from Russia, a cheap price (certainly compared to LNG), and also since everyone else in the EU was buying from Russia they all joined in and fell into Putin's trap. It shows a dismal lack of thought by EU countries. Exactly who we have to thank for the UK's independence from Russian gas, I don't know but they deserve recognition for their foresignt and a gong imv.

I suppose you can thank the same morons that said we don't need Rough Gas Storage facility because we can rely on just in time deliveries of LNG from Russia (and Qatar)......... :roll:


The UK only receives 6% gas requirements from Russian gas pipelines and Russian LNG. I am still grateful it's that low. Some EU countries rely on Russia for 100% of their gas. The Rough gas storage field can still be reused or another exhausted gas field used in it's stead. The problem is not on the same scale as the EU's.

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Re: Gas matters

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Postby Nimrod103 » June 6th, 2022, 6:29 pm

Sorcery wrote:
BullDog wrote:
Sorcery wrote:
Hallucigenia wrote:
Sorcery wrote:However I wonder what EU rules were in place to stop the EU becoming utterly dependent on Russian gas and find themselves inadvertently bankrolling a war? A UK mouse sized problem compared to an EU elephant?


It's weird, it's almost like individual member states had sovereign control of their energy policy and the Eurocrats in Brussels had limited powers or will to interfere in their sovereign affairs....

But you want Brussels to interfere in the running of individual member countries? You Euro-socialist you!

FWIW, this paper from 2014 gives an overview of where individual countries were at :
https://op.europa.eu/o/opportal-service ... t=#page=98

Since the invasion, this stuff has risen up the agenda for voters and hence elected governments across Europe, and they've increased the requirements for gas stored each year :
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/ ... S_BRI(2022)729393_EN.pdf


Well we know how much the EU states valued their own security, (not a lot if others were prepared to pay!), so I suspect EU states were presented with pipelines from Russia, a cheap price (certainly compared to LNG), and also since everyone else in the EU was buying from Russia they all joined in and fell into Putin's trap. It shows a dismal lack of thought by EU countries. Exactly who we have to thank for the UK's independence from Russian gas, I don't know but they deserve recognition for their foresignt and a gong imv.

I suppose you can thank the same morons that said we don't need Rough Gas Storage facility because we can rely on just in time deliveries of LNG from Russia (and Qatar)......... :roll:


The UK only receives 6% gas requirements from Russian gas pipelines and Russian LNG. I am still grateful it's that low. Some EU countries rely on Russia for 100% of their gas. The Rough gas storage field can still be reused or another exhausted gas field used in it's stead. The problem is not on the same scale as the EU's.


I note Centrica have said that Rough can be brought back into use quickly, yet AIUI the problem with it was a technical one where the old well casings were collapsing with age, and new wells would have to be drilled. Rough has the advantage that it has a track record of working. Other old fields will need much more investigation and a certain amount of risk taken. You don't want to pump in imported gas, only to find it isn't possible to recover it later for some reason.


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