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Redemption payment farce

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Re: Redemption payment fa

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Postby unperplex » October 16th, 2020, 9:53 pm

Quite so, CK. Your comments on unregistered titles in general are sound.
I myself came across them in practise from time to time.They are somewhat more common than a ‘layman’ might imagine.
They occasionally seemed to crop up (sorry for the pun) in relation to farms, where the land had been passed from one generation to another by will followed by assent (which transmission as far as I recollect, did not trigger first registration, at that time, anyway).
However I was commenting specifically in the context of the “value” (or otherwise ) of deeds held by mortgagees after the mortgage had effectively been paid off. In that scenario, if the original mortgage (of unregistered land) had been given so long ago that it did not trigger first registration, then the documents held by the mortgagee might still be “valuable” in that they would be needed to prove title, but the mortgage would have had to have been granted so long ago that this would, as I said, be “very rare”.

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Postby unperplex » October 16th, 2020, 10:13 pm

Your comments on the reaction of a “paralegal” to an unregistered title remind me of a local barrister I came across in my youth, who had a little sideline in giving opinions on titles which involved the provisions of the Settled Land Act 1925. He regarded these provisions as very straightforward and was mightily amused by the numbers of solicitors who felt they needed his opinion.

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Postby Mike4 » October 16th, 2020, 10:19 pm

unperplex wrote:Quite so, CK. Your comments on unregistered titles in general are sound.
I myself came across them in practise from time to time.They are somewhat more common than a ‘layman’ might imagine.
They occasionally seemed to crop up (sorry for the pun) in relation to farms, where the land had been passed from one generation to another by will followed by assent (which transmission as far as I recollect, did not trigger first registration, at that time, anyway).
However I was commenting specifically in the context of the “value” (or otherwise ) of deeds held by mortgagees after the mortgage had effectively been paid off. In that scenario, if the original mortgage (of unregistered land) had been given so long ago that it did not trigger first registration, then the documents held by the mortgagee might still be “valuable” in that they would be needed to prove title, but the mortgage would have had to have been granted so long ago that this would, as I said, be “very rare”.


Indeed and from memory, a mortgage for more than 25 years was virtually unheard of until relatively recently. Certainly very rare indeed 30 years ago in 1990 AFAIK.

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Postby richlist » October 26th, 2020, 5:10 pm

My first mortgage in 1973 at the age of 21 was for 30 years.
I guess if I still owned the property it would be unregistered.

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Postby AF62 » December 29th, 2020, 8:49 am

vagrantbrain wrote:Out of interest, how would one go about leaving £1 on the mortgage for a period of time? If you pay off a chunk of the mortgage would the lender not still require monthly payments on the outstanding balance, even for a pound?


I have a mortgage with Nationwide which I effectively paid off years ago. However at the time I took it out its conditions allowed you to make overpayments up to a certain amount each month without penalty, and importantly, allowed you to ask for those overpayments to be returned to you at any time.

I took advantage of making overpayments and reduced the mortgage down to £10 in a relatively short period, and then kept it at that level. At that point the monthly mortgage payments were 5p which were paid by Direct Debit.

A few years ago Nationwide got fed up with people like me so tried to force the closure of the mortgage by forgoing the remaining £10, so I had an interesting one sided discussion about how much the balance needed to be for them not to close it, and with them refusing to say. To make matters worse for them I had also taken advantage of another condition which allowed me to extended the term for another 25 years.

Anyway it is now £50 with a 25p monthly payment for the next couple of decades.

The advantage to me, which I have used once and could do again in the future, is that Nationwide has to lend me up to £50k (the amount overpaid) with no notice or checks at a mortgage interest rate and the money will be in my account within a couple of days. And then when I want I can simply return the money back and take the balance back to £50 again. Rather handy to have this cheap and reliable line of credit when your other funds are tied up for one reason or another.


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