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Hopeless search facility

Formerly "Lemon Fool - Improve the Recipe" repurposed as Room 102 (see above).
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Re: Hopeless search facility

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Postby dspp » March 11th, 2021, 6:15 pm

XFool wrote:As I pointed out elsewhere, the LF posted description on the board says posters' should bear in mind that it is publicly visible. It isn't. Unless by "publicly visible" they mean it can be seen if you are logged on to your LF account, but don't need additional registration as with PD.


1. PD is gone. It is no more.

2. TLF is publicly visible. Open an incognito browser session if you want to check this. The Mod Board is an exception to this.

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Re: Hopeless search facility

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Postby PinkDalek » March 11th, 2021, 6:18 pm

XFool wrote:...
PinkDalek wrote:Do you know where your a few other places might be (other than the Mod Room)?

Ignoring obviously private areas (account settings etc.) there is the Brokers and Share Dealing board. I believe the reason for this has been given in the past.


I'd forgotten that one, thanks for the memory jog.

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Re: Hopeless search facility

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Postby XFool » March 11th, 2021, 6:18 pm

dspp wrote:
XFool wrote:As I pointed out elsewhere, the LF posted description on the board says posters' should bear in mind that it is publicly visible. It isn't. Unless by "publicly visible" they mean it can be seen if you are logged on to your LF account, but don't need additional registration as with PD.

1. PD is gone. It is no more.

2. TLF is publicly visible. Open an incognito browser session if you want to check this. The Mod Board is an exception to this.

regards, dspp

OK. People want to go round and round in circles - Go around in circles! Everybody needs a hobby...

I was merely trying to be helpful - believe it or not! :roll:
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Re: Hopeless search facility

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Postby PinkDalek » March 11th, 2021, 6:21 pm

dspp wrote:... 2. TLF is publicly visible. Open an incognito browser session if you want to check this. The Mod Board is an exception to this.


I refer the honourable gentleman to my earlier reply, confirming the situation with Current Affairs & News, which I checked incognito, and to which XFool has just added Brokers and Share Dealing (which I think you've now seen).

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Re: Hopeless search facility

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Postby stooz » March 14th, 2021, 10:01 pm

XFool wrote:
mc2fool wrote:...but just to point out that TLF is a public-to-read website -- you only need to login to post --

Apart from the Current Affairs & News boards (plus a few other places).


Not entirely. The search engine bots have their own access points so can read more. It's the humans that need to create an account to see more.

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Re: Hopeless search facility

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Postby mc2fool » March 15th, 2021, 2:41 pm

stooz wrote:
XFool wrote:
mc2fool wrote:...but just to point out that TLF is a public-to-read website -- you only need to login to post --

Apart from the Current Affairs & News boards (plus a few other places).

Not entirely. The search engine bots have their own access points so can read more. It's the humans that need to create an account to see more.

Are you sure about that? Take, for example, the thread about BBC news coverage on that board. The text of it starts:

Quite a contrast in news channels today. Both Sky and BBC were covering Sturgeon's evidence live today, both switched away to cover the budget, but then BBC have switched back to yet more live coverage of Sturgeon.
Odd choice of priorities, because surely the budget ramifications are far more important to most UK viewers then what's happening in Scotland.
...

The text in black is all you'll see if you don't log in, followed by "login to view the rest of this post".

If I google the first sentence, https://www.google.com/search?q=site:www.lemonfool.co.uk "Quite a contrast in news channels today", it finds the post.

If, however, I google a phrase just past what I'd see without logging in, e.g. https://www.google.com/search?q=site:www.lemonfool.co.uk "Odd choice of priorities", it doesn't find the post.

Further, if you look at the cached copy of the post found by the first search you'll see it shows the truncated not-logged-in version.

So, all that indicates to me that at least google can't see any more than non-logged in humans do.

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Re: Hopeless search facility

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Postby stooz » March 18th, 2021, 3:51 pm

SImple question - is it any better?

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Re: Hopeless search facility

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Postby chas49 » March 18th, 2021, 3:58 pm

stooz wrote:SImple question - is it any better?


Trying the search that CK did (see first post of this thread), I got 17 results. Looks like something has worked :)

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Re: Hopeless search facility

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Postby Gengulphus » March 18th, 2021, 8:56 pm

But with regard to the big gap in search results (from February 2017 to September 2019) I described in viewtopic.php?p=394387#p394387 above, no, it's no better - unless you count having to go to page 41 of the results to observe the gap (rather than page 40 which the link in that post goes to) as better!

Gengulphus

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Re: Hopeless search facility

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Postby stooz » March 18th, 2021, 10:12 pm

Thats still odd...

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Re: Hopeless search facility

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Postby Mike4 » March 18th, 2021, 10:18 pm

On another site (a little larger than this, but using the same phpBB) I used to visit, the site admin had endless similar complaints about the site search not working.

They fixed it by installing something they called "elastic search" which worked LOADS (technical term) better.

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Re: Hopeless search facility

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Postby stooz » March 19th, 2021, 8:42 pm

I'm familiar with elastic servers. I will investigate...

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Re: Hopeless search facility

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Postby csearle » March 19th, 2021, 9:00 pm

stooz wrote:I'm familiar with elastic servers. I will investigate...
Q. What's the collective noun for elastic servers? A. A band of them.

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Re: Hopeless search facility

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Postby Mike4 » March 19th, 2021, 9:27 pm

csearle wrote:
stooz wrote:I'm familiar with elastic servers. I will investigate...
Q. What's the collective noun for elastic servers? A. A band of them.


You're stretching your credibility with that godawful pun!

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Re: Hopeless search facility

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Postby dspp » March 19th, 2021, 10:22 pm

stooz wrote:I'm familiar with elastic servers. I will investigate...


Thank you Stooz. Getting the actual TLF site we have here (courtesy of you) working to its utmost is a darn sight more important than adding in share pricing imho. Good search is important to a lot of us.

regards, dspp

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Re: Hopeless search facility

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Postby vrdiver » March 20th, 2021, 12:23 am

I've come across sites that embed a search box that uses the Google site search functionality, simply to address the poor bb results.

Something like the https://homedistiller.org/forum/ for example :)

Maybe something to add to TLF?

VRD

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Re: Hopeless search facility

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Postby stooz » March 23rd, 2021, 11:12 pm

Yes that's easy to do as a alternative. I'm looking into it

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Re: Hopeless search facility

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Postby monabri » March 26th, 2021, 9:18 am

I'd also rather have a better search facility than visible share prices.


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