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Is it now safe to send bank statements etc by email

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Re: Is it now safe to send bank statements etc by email

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Postby Infrasonic » October 9th, 2021, 8:28 pm

Infrasonic wrote:
UncleEbenezer wrote:
In theory this is so they can provide details with an appropriate court order - in practise do you want to trust Facebook or any other large corporation to 'do the right thing' morally? There's a FB whistle-blower case currently active in the USA.


For a consumer-oriented service I'd trust them not to nuke themselves quite so gratuitously. The risk/reward for facebook of abusing users' privacy would be horrific. Leave that to specialists, such as NSO (Pegasus).


I wouldn't!

History has shown that large companies often do things that are reprehensible and potentially commercially suicidal - divide and conquer + deep pockets making it very difficult for individuals to actually get justice unless the state steps in.

I use Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter etc. with the full knowledge that nothing is truly private - so I don't put anything on their services that I would not be comfortable with being in the public domain. I use fake ID and contact info if I can get away with it (increasingly difficult).

If I want to go incognito I use a Linux container via Tor with E2EE and zero knowledge services only. Even that is not 100%.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbwa_aGnlzQ
Patrick Bet-David sits down with former Facebook moderator Shawn Speagle. In this clip they discuss a moderators ability to read anyone's private messages on Facebook and Whatsapp.
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Re: Is it now safe to send bank statements etc by email

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Postby csearle » October 10th, 2021, 12:14 am

Infrasonic wrote:So if a state run entity like the NHS (not exactly renowned for their cutting edge efficiency!) can get their s*it together why can't everyone else?
A while back I opened a Monzo account, which also used stuff I video'd and sent them on my phone to authenticate me. IIUC they are in a spot of trouble because fraudsters have, allegedly, managed to use them for money-laundering. C.

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Re: Is it now safe to send bank statements etc by email

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Postby Infrasonic » October 10th, 2021, 8:57 am

csearle wrote:
Infrasonic wrote:So if a state run entity like the NHS (not exactly renowned for their cutting edge efficiency!) can get their s*it together why can't everyone else?
A while back I opened a Monzo account, which also used stuff I video'd and sent them on my phone to authenticate me. IIUC they are in a spot of trouble because fraudsters have, allegedly, managed to use them for money-laundering. C.


Without the specifics there's no way of knowing if the method of presenting ID was contributory or not.

Career criminals beyond the mid level routinely have multiple identities with corresponding paperwork like birth certificates, passports, DL, rental agreements/mortgage/utilities + bank accounts/CC/phones and SIM cards.
ID is either forged/cloned or genuine. So even presenting in person wouldn't necessarily trigger any warnings.

The anti money laundering laws and procedures have made it more inconvenient for the general public like us but they haven't really made any difference to sophisticated criminals. Pop down to your local casino and you'll see money laundering going on every night still - the background checks the casinos run are pretty laughable (in fact these days you can just walk in and start gambling - the joining and 24 hour rule before you could gamble having disappeared years ago).

What has made it a lot harder for criminals is the amount of clandestine intelligence that can be gathered on them from things like CCTV, hacked and cracked phones (including several 'unbreakable crytpo' phone systems) GPS, email, messaging et al.
Hence so much debate around the privacy of individuals - rights to E2E encryption vs the need to track potential criminality (not always with a court order...).

Which brings us back to the topic under discussion - is unencrypted email safe to use for sensitive information? No.

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Re: Is it now safe to send bank statements etc by email

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Postby Infrasonic » October 11th, 2021, 9:20 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58876645

Ten people in London and Kent have been arrested on suspicion of supplying fraudulent passports to more than 100 high-level organised criminals.

Early-morning raids in South London, Kent, Essex and Merseyside followed an international police investigation.

The gang is accused of supplying passports to clients including jailed drug dealer Jamie Acourt, a suspect in the murder of Stephen Lawrence.

Those arrested are suspected of using paid "lookalikes" to obtain passports.
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Re: Is it now safe to send bank statements etc by email

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Postby UncleEbenezer » October 12th, 2021, 5:09 am

Infrasonic wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58876645

Ten people in London and Kent have been arrested on suspicion of supplying fraudulent passports to more than 100 high-level organised criminals.

Early-morning raids in South London, Kent, Essex and Merseyside followed an international police investigation.

The gang is accused of supplying passports to clients including jailed drug dealer Jamie Acourt, a suspect in the murder of Stephen Lawrence.

Those arrested are suspected of using paid "lookalikes" to obtain passports.
Cont.


Was Stephen Lawrence a gangland rival to his killers? I've heard nothing before the above to suggest that he was.

'Cos if he wasn't then his murder looks more like mindless thugs than "high-level organised criminals". Why would the latter want to murder someone who had nothing to do with their business?

And is this ... um ... thread hijack driven by dodgy-looking reporting?

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Re: Is it now safe to send bank statements etc by email

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Postby servodude » October 12th, 2021, 5:53 am

UncleEbenezer wrote:
Infrasonic wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58876645

Ten people in London and Kent have been arrested on suspicion of supplying fraudulent passports to more than 100 high-level organised criminals.

Early-morning raids in South London, Kent, Essex and Merseyside followed an international police investigation.

The gang is accused of supplying passports to clients including jailed drug dealer Jamie Acourt, a suspect in the murder of Stephen Lawrence.

Those arrested are suspected of using paid "lookalikes" to obtain passports.
Cont.


Was Stephen Lawrence a gangland rival to his killers? I've heard nothing before the above to suggest that he was.

'Cos if he wasn't then his murder looks more like mindless thugs than "high-level organised criminals". Why would the latter want to murder someone who had nothing to do with their business?

And is this ... um ... thread hijack driven by dodgy-looking reporting?


I'm pretty sure that the clause in question has been inserted only to add a bit of background to Mr Acourt (perhaps to pre-empt the "Oh where do I know that name from)
I'm also not sure that being "high-level organised criminal" and "mindless thug" are mutually exclusive
- but even if that were the case there's been nearly 2 decades since the murder which would have given plenty of time for self development

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Re: Is it now safe to send bank statements etc by email

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Postby redsturgeon » October 12th, 2021, 1:48 pm

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Re: Is it now safe to send bank statements etc by email

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Postby Sunnypad » October 12th, 2021, 7:05 pm

Infrasonic

Isn't that the NHS thing where the data got sold to Iproov, who did the tech? So they had a vested interest in getting it right. Well, one of many vested interests.

I am a technophobe but I know quite a few tech fans who refused to do the NHS thing on the grounds of mistrust.

I still don't know how I'll deal with this when I move, guess I will cross the bridge when I come to it.

I had to speak to my bank today. The connection was awful. I'm quite sure the chap was working at home and had me on speakerphone.

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Re: Is it now safe to send bank statements etc by email

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Postby Infrasonic » October 12th, 2021, 7:52 pm

https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/about- ... pted%20out.

Opting out of sharing your data
You can choose whether or not your data is used for research and planning. There are different types of data-sharing you can opt out of.

1. Stop your GP surgery from sharing your data
2. Stop NHS Digital and other health and care organisations from sharing your data for research and planning
You can opt out, or opt back in again, at any time.

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Re: Is it now safe to send bank statements etc by email

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Postby Sunnypad » October 12th, 2021, 7:57 pm

Infrasonic wrote:https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/about-the-nhs/opt-out-of-sharing-your-health-records/#:~:text=To%20do%20this%20you%20need,you%20have%20been%20opted%20out.

Opting out of sharing your data
You can choose whether or not your data is used for research and planning. There are different types of data-sharing you can opt out of.

1. Stop your GP surgery from sharing your data
2. Stop NHS Digital and other health and care organisations from sharing your data for research and planning
You can opt out, or opt back in again, at any time.


Did that apply to the facial recognition tech? Just curious and a bit confused.


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