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Battle Stations - Wine

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AsleepInYorkshire
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Battle Stations - Wine

#460599

Postby AsleepInYorkshire » November 24th, 2021, 3:57 pm

Warning of wine and spirits shortage at Christmas

Call in the army immediately. And get to eBay for the distillery equipment before that sells out too.

If John tells me he filled his 7te Luton up last night I may just invite myself to his home for Christmas :lol:

I'll sleep in the van

AiY

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby 88V8 » November 24th, 2021, 4:47 pm

I have plenty of damson gin and damson vodka.
It was a vintage year, I hope.

I also have some Blue Curacao I was given in 1987, and a bottle of chocolate porter.

We'll survive.

V8

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby UncleEbenezer » November 24th, 2021, 5:40 pm

88V8 wrote:and a bottle of chocolate porter.
V8

Is that something you'd use a chocolate teapot for?

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby sg31 » November 25th, 2021, 12:56 pm

Sainsbury's have a 25% off 6 bottles offer on at present if anyone is short of wine. Tesco's have a similar offer on that ends tomorrow.

I'm not convinced they would have these offers if there was a shortage. Maybe the companies complaining are just poor at managing stock levels.

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby scotia » November 25th, 2021, 1:14 pm

sg31 wrote:Sainsbury's have a 25% off 6 bottles offer on at present if anyone is short of wine. Tesco's have a similar offer on that ends tomorrow.

I'm not convinced they would have these offers if there was a shortage. Maybe the companies complaining are just poor at managing stock levels.

No multi-buy discounts on Wine are permitted in Scottish Supermarkets.

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby AleisterCrowley » November 25th, 2021, 2:15 pm

88V8 wrote:...
I also have some Blue Curacao I was given in 1987, and a bottle of chocolate porter.


V8

"Interesting" fact - Curaçao is naturally colourless, but is dyed blue as a gimmick ...

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby Hallucigenia » November 25th, 2021, 2:21 pm

sg31 wrote:Sainsbury's have a 25% off 6 bottles offer on at present if anyone is short of wine. Tesco's have a similar offer on that ends tomorrow.

I'm not convinced they would have these offers if there was a shortage. Maybe the companies complaining are just poor at managing stock levels.


You don't understand the problem. The big supermarkets are largely insulated from the kinds of problems discussed here, as they have their own supply chains from Europe. The issue here is with a handful of specialist companies that handle logistics for most of the independent wine trade - the kind that supply many restaurants and specialist wine retailers. Importing booze has always had special requirements due to duty requiring specialist bonded warehouses and the like, so it's always been handled by a few dedicated companies, which have historically got the job done but which have not proved resilient in the face of a shock as big as Brexit.

Brexit has hit wine imports particularly badly as it's one of the few areas where effectively the full Brexit paperwork came in on 1 January (whereas HMG has repeatedly kicked the can down the road on the paperwork for most other food items) - and it was complete chaos, not least because the government systems were not fit for purposes and government wasn't interested in working things out, as it might suggest that Brexit reality was not sunlit uplands. See this Twitter threadand following ones to get an idea of what it was like for the guys on the ground - what's described there was far from an isolated experience.

So the new paperwork put a huge strain on a small logistics base, some paused wine deliveries for a few months at the start of 2021, some logistics companies gave up on wine altogether at that time. And one of the big ones has just stopped now. So it is complete chaos in the independent import sector - I know someone who still doesn't know if his big delivery due in September will be here at Christmas, and there's stories of consignments being stuck in warehouses/containers somewhere for 6+ months.

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby AsleepInYorkshire » November 25th, 2021, 4:20 pm

scotia wrote:
sg31 wrote:Sainsbury's have a 25% off 6 bottles offer on at present if anyone is short of wine. Tesco's have a similar offer on that ends tomorrow.

I'm not convinced they would have these offers if there was a shortage. Maybe the companies complaining are just poor at managing stock levels.

No multi-buy discounts on Wine are permitted in Scottish Supermarkets.

Wise :lol:

AiY

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby Clitheroekid » November 25th, 2021, 11:56 pm

scotia wrote:
sg31 wrote:Sainsbury's have a 25% off 6 bottles offer on at present if anyone is short of wine. Tesco's have a similar offer on that ends tomorrow.

I'm not convinced they would have these offers if there was a shortage. Maybe the companies complaining are just poor at managing stock levels.

No multi-buy discounts on Wine are permitted in Scottish Supermarkets.

I'm surprised that the enterprising folk of Berwick-on-Tweed and other border towns haven't bought a few dozen multi-buys at Tesco and driven them a couple of miles over the border to flog them at a decent profit! ;)

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby Rhyd6 » November 26th, 2021, 12:04 am

I think we may survive Christmas, we have 38 bottles of sloe gin from 2011 onwards, plus, if necesary 3 1 gallon whisky bottles full of this years vintage and a cellarful of wine - at last count Oct 270 bottles. We should make it to my birthday in February but we'd better buy a few extra just in case :D
Cheers
R6

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby AsleepInYorkshire » November 26th, 2021, 12:10 am

Rhyd6 wrote:I think we may survive Christmas, we have 38 bottles of sloe gin from 2011 onwards, plus, if necesary 3 1 gallon whisky bottles full of this years vintage and a cellarful of wine - at last count Oct 270 bottles. We should make it to my birthday in February but we'd better buy a few extra just in case :D
Cheers
R6

I understand Yorkshire is invading tomorrow morning whilst you're fast asleep. Alternatively just put the stash on the Milk Float and we'll accept that as terms.

AiY

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby Mike4 » November 26th, 2021, 12:18 am

AsleepInYorkshire wrote:Warning of wine and spirits shortage at Christmas

Call in the army immediately. And get to eBay for the distillery equipment before that sells out too.

If John tells me he filled his 7te Luton up last night I may just invite myself to his home for Christmas :lol:

I'll sleep in the van

AiY



OMG I bought three or four bottles each of Talisker, Bunnahabhain and Ardbeg this time last year for about £30 each, WAY cheaper than normal price. I was planning to replenish the stock this December, am I gonna be out of luck??

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby servodude » November 26th, 2021, 7:07 am

Mike4 wrote:
AsleepInYorkshire wrote:Warning of wine and spirits shortage at Christmas

Call in the army immediately. And get to eBay for the distillery equipment before that sells out too.

If John tells me he filled his 7te Luton up last night I may just invite myself to his home for Christmas :lol:

I'll sleep in the van

AiY



OMG I bought three or four bottles each of Talisker, Bunnahabhain and Ardbeg this time last year for about £30 each, WAY cheaper than normal price. I was planning to replenish the stock this December, am I gonna be out of luck??


Ah FFS some of us pay Australian prices for these so stop the bloody whinging!
I'm down to a bottle of "The Classic Laddie" and a Lagavulan 8yr old (the next 8 just take the edge off it ;) )
I'll need to remortgage next week when they're done :(

-sd

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby AF62 » November 26th, 2021, 8:38 am

Hallucigenia wrote:and it was complete chaos, not least because the government systems were not fit for purposes and government wasn't interested in working things out, as it might suggest that Brexit reality was not sunlit uplands. See this Twitter threadand following ones to get an idea of what it was like for the guys on the ground - what's described there was far from an isolated experience.


All that is described in that thread is the story of someone who foolishly tried to use a system for which they hadn’t sought any training to use and just blundered around guessing how to use it, and had ignored months of government advice to employ a professional import agent who did know how to use it.

That isn’t saying that Brexit was or wasn’t a good think (not getting into *that* discussion here), but for goodness sake if your business is going to be dramatically impacted by any change then only looking at the forms you need to fill in 16 days after that change is a bit pathetic.

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby UncleEbenezer » November 26th, 2021, 8:47 am

AF62 wrote:That isn’t saying that Brexit was or wasn’t a good think (not getting into *that* discussion here), but for goodness sake if your business is going to be dramatically impacted by any change then only looking at the forms you need to fill in 16 days after that change is a bit pathetic.

Perhaps a bit harsh, given the constantly-changing expectations and elusive/misleading information coming from government ahead of the change?

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby AsleepInYorkshire » November 26th, 2021, 9:19 am

Mike4 wrote:
AsleepInYorkshire wrote:Warning of wine and spirits shortage at Christmas

Call in the army immediately. And get to eBay for the distillery equipment before that sells out too.

If John tells me he filled his 7te Luton up last night I may just invite myself to his home for Christmas :lol:

I'll sleep in the van

AiY

OMG I bought three or four bottles each of Talisker, Bunnahabhain and Ardbeg this time last year for about £30 each, WAY cheaper than normal price. I was planning to replenish the stock this December, am I gonna be out of luck??

Mike

Sell, sell, sell :lol:

AiY

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby servodude » November 26th, 2021, 9:24 am

AsleepInYorkshire wrote:
Mike4 wrote:
AsleepInYorkshire wrote:Warning of wine and spirits shortage at Christmas

Call in the army immediately. And get to eBay for the distillery equipment before that sells out too.

If John tells me he filled his 7te Luton up last night I may just invite myself to his home for Christmas :lol:

I'll sleep in the van

AiY

OMG I bought three or four bottles each of Talisker, Bunnahabhain and Ardbeg this time last year for about £30 each, WAY cheaper than normal price. I was planning to replenish the stock this December, am I gonna be out of luck??

Mike

Sell, sell, sell :lol:

AiY


Perhaps .... but hold any Port Ellen for a bit

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby AF62 » November 26th, 2021, 9:35 am

UncleEbenezer wrote:
AF62 wrote:That isn’t saying that Brexit was or wasn’t a good think (not getting into *that* discussion here), but for goodness sake if your business is going to be dramatically impacted by any change then only looking at the forms you need to fill in 16 days after that change is a bit pathetic.

Perhaps a bit harsh, given the constantly-changing expectations and elusive/misleading information coming from government ahead of the change?


Not for these goods. It was *very* clear for months prior that from the first day that full customs declarations would be required for imports of alcohol from the EU.

As such declarations were already required for import of wine from outside the EU prior to Brexit, using the same systems and the same forms that they would need to use, it would have been trivially simple for the business owner to have investigated what was already required and which import agents could provide the service for them.

Instead they waited until the 16 January and decided to have a go themselves despite not knowing what they were doing. And then moaned.

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby servodude » November 26th, 2021, 9:46 am

AF62 wrote:it would have been trivially simple for the business owner to have investigated what was already required and which import agents could provide the service for them


Yeah but in quite a lot of cases the best/only solutions would have been f*ck off, give up, or cheat

We could afford to move our business in the UK off to somewhere that their regulations were respected globally
- we had to do it, it wasn't an option, it wasn't fun
- but for smaller firms it would have been difficult/impossible to take that hit so I can imagine they'd keep on going until they couldn't; soldiering on in the face of (let's be fair) ridiculous bureaucracy for no immediate f****ing benefit
....until it became impossible and they get caught

Who is to blame when the goalposts move? (EDIT: I'd suggest the guy who decided to move them!)

-sd

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Re: Battle Stations - Wine

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Postby AF62 » November 26th, 2021, 9:55 am

servodude wrote:
AF62 wrote:it would have been trivially simple for the business owner to have investigated what was already required and which import agents could provide the service for them


Yeah but in quite a lot of cases the best/only solutions would have been f*ck off, give up, or cheat


No, the best solution would have been to investigate what they needed to do on day one, rather than floundering around and moaning.

servodude wrote:
Who is to blame when the goalposts move? (EDIT: I'd suggest the guy who decided to move them!)

-sd


"blame" - blame is irrelevant. The goalposts *have* moved; deal with it or quit. Moaning because you didn't prepare is just pathetic.


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