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US high yield shares

General discussions about equity high-yield income strategies
SalvorHardin
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Re: US high yield shares

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Postby SalvorHardin » September 22nd, 2023, 12:41 pm

Lootman wrote:Some of these royalty trusts are structured as limited partnerships. You might not know that just looking at a listing or even buying one, as they look just like normal stocks. But then once a year you get a K-1 tax document, and that is a bear to interpret, at least in a taxable account. And their strange tax structure could mean that they cannot be bought in an ISA or SIPP (I have not tried so do not know for sure).

Royalty trusts are by their nature depleting assets. You just hope that the cash dividends over the life of the resource will more than compensate for the fact that eventually the share price will be zero! You could view them as annuities although, in the short-term, they can rise in price significantly if the underlying resource price inflates.

Oops. I forgot to mention the tax pitfall regarding limited partnerships. Dividends are treated as earned income from a partnership and you have to submit an American tax return on these earnings. Avoid at all costs. This also applies to ISAs as America's IRS ignores these when it comes to LLPs..

My Brookfield Asset Management shares (Canadian but I have the NYSE listed shares) are in an ISA. Periodically Brookfield used to spinoff companies as LLPs and I would have to sell them at the first opportunity to avoid the tax return. I know someone who got caught with dividends from an American LLP (and a closed end fund where unlike our investment trusts you get taxed on realised gains retained within the fund) - he ended up paying quite a bit for an accountant to sort out an American tax return for that year.

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Re: US high yield shares

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Postby flyer61 » September 22nd, 2023, 1:03 pm

Fundamentally my biggest holding is Fundsmith and then individual holdings in his selections. So this is my left field fun stuff!

The debt markets give AT and T and Macys an investment grade rating with a stable outlook. Macys is cashflow positive. Sears for a long time before it's demise was not. Obviously that could change and if it does I'll hold my hands up and walk away. However I'll give the management 12 months and see what they can do.

AT and T is the first telecom Company I have bought in circa 15 years. Out of idle curiosity lets see how it goes.

Phillip Morris is my core High Yield play in the US market and I would recommend it to all. The REITs, well there are many but I like STAG. But if you want something for your SIPP with a bit of yield then take a look at Agree ADC or Spirit Realty SRC or even maybe Starwood STWD.

I like US dollars and have learnt to be weary of Sterling.

I only hold two bank shares. Bank of Montreal (hallelujah) BMO and New York Community Bancorp NYCB. Both have worked out really well and there is a bit of yield on offer to boot.

I am a globalist and really don't want a narrow UK portfolio for the rest of my days.....each to their own.

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Re: US high yield shares

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Postby Dod101 » September 22nd, 2023, 1:49 pm

Thanks to SH for that very helpful post. I hold two Canadian banks. As always, timing is everything and I made a lot of money on Toronto Dominion and then the following year lost some of it on buying Bank of Montreal; measuring capital values. The income is very impressive for both.

Dod

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Re: US high yield shares

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Postby Charlottesquare » September 22nd, 2023, 4:41 pm

Dod101 wrote:Thanks to SH for that very helpful post. I hold two Canadian banks. As always, timing is everything and I made a lot of money on Toronto Dominion and then the following year lost some of it on buying Bank of Montreal; measuring capital values. The income is very impressive for both.

Dod


I hold my Canadian financials via Middlefield Canadian.(Plus Real Estate, Energy, Pipelines etc re both Canada and USA)

https://middlefield.com/wp-content/uplo ... et0823.pdf

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Re: US high yield shares

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Postby SalvorHardin » December 15th, 2023, 11:44 am

The share prices of many REITs have rocketed in the past few weeks, in some cases by so much that what was a high yield share has turned into a mid-yield share. The driving force behind this is the increasing feeling that American interest rates have peaked and are going to fall next year, which ws reinforced by a recent speech by the Chairman of the Federal Reserve.

From last Wednesday: "With rate hikes likely done, Fed turns to timing of cuts"
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/fed-likely-hold-rates-steady-signal-couple-cuts-2024-2023-12-13/

A share which I used to own is Hasbro, the games manufacturer. Recently I took a look and saw that it's yield was 5.5%. It wasn't a high yielder when I owned it, though the share price has halved from when I sold mine back in 2019. Forward PE ratio of 18.5, might be worth a look for some people.

https://seekingalpha.com/symbol/HAS

Regarding offices IMHO there's a increasing realisation that the fears about work from home have been overblown, particularly when it comes to the class A properties (what we in the UK call "prime"). My largest shareholding by some way thanks to a 19% rise in the last two days is SL Green Realty which is the biggest office landlord in Manhattan, so I pay a fair bit of attention to Manhattan office attendance and subway traffic. SL Green currently yields 6.25%; there are quite a few REITs which yield a lot more than that, finding them just requires a bit of research.

It turns out that the often quoted figures about office occupancy rates are quite misleading; the percentages quoted understate the level of current occupancy for two reasons. First, the figures quoted are for a basket of properties, primarily class B and C properties (mostly those in "secondary" and "tertiary" locations) which are lower than quoted for class A properties.

More importantly, the % occupancy generally implies that the pre-pandemic occupancy rates were 100%. It turns out that for Manhattan the pre-pandemic occupancy rate was more like 80% thanks to client visits, holidays, sickness, business travel and other off-site meetings. So a 60% current occupancy is more like 75% of the pre-pandemic level (finding this out last September greatly encouraged me to pile into SL Green).

From September 2023, a near 60% occupancy quoted for mostly B and C.
"Nearly 60% of Manhattan Office Workers Are Back at Their Workplace, Study Finds"
https://www.costar.com/article/75817771 ... tudy-finds

"The Partnership further found that the “rate of return” to offices was 72% of pre-pandemic levels."
https://nypost.com/2023/09/25/more-workers-returning-to-nyc-offices-than-previously-reported-study/

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Re: US high yield shares

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Postby BullDog » December 15th, 2023, 1:42 pm

Pfizer looking interesting now?

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Re: US high yield shares

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Postby Lootman » December 15th, 2023, 1:51 pm

BullDog wrote:Pfizer looking interesting now?

Its Covid premium has certainly gone, that is for sure. Moderna has lost more like 80% of its value, but was up big yesterday. So maybe Covid shares are back in vogue.

Eli Lilly has been a monster in recent years, to the point where it is now may largest holding after Berkshire, Apple and MicroSoft.

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Re: US high yield shares

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Postby monabri » December 15th, 2023, 2:12 pm

BullDog wrote:Pfizer looking interesting now?



I'd spotted PFE's shareprice ( hence possible yield). Might be worth Googling "Pfizer shareprice " and select a few of the ramblings , eg.

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/pfi ... d-products

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/ ... 38cff99eda

Reuters article isn't full of joy..

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 023-12-13/

I was tempted but resisted.

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Re: US high yield shares

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Postby BullDog » December 15th, 2023, 2:16 pm

monabri wrote:
BullDog wrote:Pfizer looking interesting now?



I'd spotted PFE's shareprice ( hence possible yield). Might be worth Googling "Pfizer shareprice " and select a few of the ramblings , eg.

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/pfi ... d-products

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/ ... 38cff99eda

Reuters article isn't full of joy..

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 023-12-13/

I was tempted but resisted.

Thanks. Reads like articles on Astra Zeneca did before they turned their business round.

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Re: US high yield shares

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Postby monabri » December 15th, 2023, 2:22 pm

BullDog wrote:Thanks. Reads like articles on Astra Zeneca did before they turned their business round.


It does indeed.


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