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Tesla Inc (XET:TLO)

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Postby Heinous » December 30th, 2020, 3:25 pm

A question for those more experienced than me (most of you!):

Now that Tesla is in the S&P 500, and (presumably) the trackers have completed their purchases, can we expect Tesla to be less volatile, or are there too many other factors at play here?

As a short-term investment, they did me proud during December, but I'm seriously doubting their ability to continue as a short-term thing, and a chorus of voices says that the shares are overvalued (though to be fair, others disagree), which makes the longer-term investment doubtful, at least until they start making serious profits.

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Re: Tesla Inc (XET:TLO)

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Postby GoSeigen » December 30th, 2020, 4:00 pm

Heinous wrote:A question for those more experienced than me (most of you!):

Now that Tesla is in the S&P 500, and (presumably) the trackers have completed their purchases, can we expect Tesla to be less volatile, or are there too many other factors at play here?

As a short-term investment, they did me proud during December, but I'm seriously doubting their ability to continue as a short-term thing, and a chorus of voices says that the shares are overvalued (though to be fair, others disagree), which makes the longer-term investment doubtful, at least until they start making serious profits.


Ah, yes, Tesla, that small-cap startup -- very interesting idea but will anyone have heard of them??

There's a long-running discussion here, where it is more on-topic:

viewtopic.php?f=76&p=371259#p371259


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Re: Tesla Inc (XET:TLO)

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Postby Heinous » December 30th, 2020, 7:03 pm

GoSeigen wrote:There's a long-running discussion here, where it is more on-topic:
Thanks. I did see that.

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Re: Tesla Inc (XET:TLO)

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Postby dspp » December 30th, 2020, 7:35 pm

Heinous wrote:
GoSeigen wrote:There's a long-running discussion here, where it is more on-topic:
Thanks. I did see that.


Heinous,

Simple answer = I don't know. There are various factors I can see might affect the volatility:

1. A lot (~15% I think) of free float will become locked up in index funds or benchmark funds, and since they will trade rarely that might make the price less volatile;
2. But since the remaining free float is smaller that means traders will have more effect on the price;
3. And it will now be 'on' the screens of those who were previously unable to trade it due to their fund remits (only S&P etc);
4. But it will be 'off' the screens of those who can no longer trade it due to their fund remits (only smallcap etc);

I too will be interested to see if there is really any difference to the above, as I think the following point is dominant:

5. TSLA's intrinsic business performance combined with the momentum investing (trading) going on into TSLA and into adjacent stocks.

Any other opinions from the more learned City types welcome.

regards, dspp

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Re: Tesla Inc (XET:TLO)

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Postby Heinous » December 31st, 2020, 9:03 am

dspp wrote:Simple answer = I don't know. There are various factors I can see might affect the volatility: ...

Very helpful, and food for thought. I suspect there may some life left in them for short term investing, while they still might create more anxiety than one likes for the longer term!

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Re: Tesla Inc (XET:TLO)

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Postby Heinous » January 13th, 2021, 10:44 am

Tesla takes another step on road to launch in India By Aditi Shah, REUTERS
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Tesla Inc has moved a step closer to its launch in India later this year by registering a company in the country, a regulatory filing showed on Tuesday.
Tesla Motors India and Energy Private Limited was incorporated on Jan. 8 with its registered office in the southern city of Bengaluru, a hub for several global technology companies.
The filing shows the Indian unit has three directors including David Feinstein, who is currently a senior executive at Tesla, according to his LinkedIn profile.
India’s transport minister Nitin Gadkari told a local newspaper in December the U.S. electric carmaker would start with sales and then might look at assembly and manufacturing.

I'd be surprised if they didn't announce manufacturing within months: they currently have cash swilling around, and need to secure long-term value.

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Re: Tesla Inc (XET:TLO)

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Postby dspp » January 13th, 2021, 6:09 pm

Heinous wrote:
Tesla takes another step on road to launch in India By Aditi Shah, REUTERS
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Tesla Inc has moved a step closer to its launch in India later this year by registering a company in the country, a regulatory filing showed on Tuesday.
Tesla Motors India and Energy Private Limited was incorporated on Jan. 8 with its registered office in the southern city of Bengaluru, a hub for several global technology companies.
The filing shows the Indian unit has three directors including David Feinstein, who is currently a senior executive at Tesla, according to his LinkedIn profile.
India’s transport minister Nitin Gadkari told a local newspaper in December the U.S. electric carmaker would start with sales and then might look at assembly and manufacturing.

I'd be surprised if they didn't announce manufacturing within months: they currently have cash swilling around, and need to secure long-term value.


They will not want to give in to local partner rules, so I think they will be negotiating for 100% control. They won on that in China, so India knows what it has to do. Otherwise it will be a token effort as a placeholder imho.

regards, dspp


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