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How will clubs survive this?

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby didds » April 30th, 2020, 3:51 pm

Leothebear wrote:Football without a live audience won't work.
Football with an audience conforming to social distancing won't work.

Social distancing will be with us for at least another 7 months.

Football is knackered.


and cricket, both codes of rugby etc etc etc...

Im with LTB here

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby jackdaww » April 30th, 2020, 9:31 pm

Leothebear wrote:Football without a live audience won't work.
Football with an audience conforming to social distancing won't work.

Social distancing will be with us for at least another 7 months.

Football is knackered.


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social distancing on the pitch wont work ...

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby Howyoudoin » April 30th, 2020, 9:58 pm

gryffron wrote:Since no-one has home advantage anyway with stadiums empty, could play all the games at a handful of neutral grounds.

Gryff


Surely home advantage runs deeper than just having fans in attendance?

What about the fact that every pitch is a different size so if you are a dead ball specialist you will know exactly where to place the ball in certain situations?

What about the fact that you haven’t had a four hour journey to get to the game, haven’t had to get changed in an unusual place and showered in an unusual place before another four hour journey home?

I’m sure these and a thousand other things play on the minds of a modern footballer when deciding which stadium they prefer to play in.

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby gryffron » April 30th, 2020, 10:00 pm

I'm not sure. The premier league have a hell of a financial incentive to fulfill their contract with Sky. Sky have a hell of an incentive to get sport back on our screens. Even in a silent stadium, with so much money involved, I can see it happening.

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby kiloran » May 1st, 2020, 9:22 pm

Perhaps games could be restarted if players had some PPE. Like this, for example:

https://media0.giphy.com/media/77WC4uszHuQwg/giphy.gif

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby jackdaww » May 2nd, 2020, 8:24 am

one of the neville brothers was interviewed on TV yesterday .

he says it cant happen unless someone in high places put there name to an approval .

he says it wont happen .

i said it wont happen weeks ago .

it wont happen .

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby dionaeamuscipula » May 4th, 2020, 6:08 pm

Howyoudoin wrote:
gryffron wrote:Since no-one has home advantage anyway with stadiums empty, could play all the games at a handful of neutral grounds.

Gryff


Surely home advantage runs deeper than just having fans in attendance?

What about the fact that every pitch is a different size so if you are a dead ball specialist you will know exactly where to place the ball in certain situations?

What about the fact that you haven’t had a four hour journey to get to the game, haven’t had to get changed in an unusual place and showered in an unusual place before another four hour journey home?

I’m sure these and a thousand other things play on the minds of a modern footballer when deciding which stadium they prefer to play in.

HYD


They do, but the effect of the home supporters - on the referee as well as the players - must be overwhelmingly important.

On testing, the regime suggested depends on the availability of a test which gives rapid results and is extremely reliable. Not sure that such a thing is widely available yet.

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby gryffron » May 4th, 2020, 6:19 pm

dionaeamuscipula wrote:On testing, the regime suggested depends on the availability of a test which gives rapid results and is extremely reliable. Not sure that such a thing is widely available yet.

The suggestion requires players/teams to be quarantined whilst the normal and ultra-reliable 24 hour lab tests take place. So that really isn't an issue.

Gryff

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby dealtn » May 6th, 2020, 4:33 pm

jackdaww wrote:one of the neville brothers was interviewed on TV yesterday .

he says it cant happen unless someone in high places put there name to an approval .

he says it wont happen .

i said it wont happen weeks ago .

it wont happen .

:roll: :roll:


Bundesliga preparing to restart.

South Korea football to resume this week. Baseball there has already recommenced.

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby dealtn » May 6th, 2020, 6:57 pm


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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby Leothebear » May 7th, 2020, 10:10 am

It will be fascinating to see how the TV viewers react to "crowdless" footie.
Perhaps they'll use canned sound effects and fake images of crowds.

Will the TV companies continue to pay the clubs at the same rate? We should be told.

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby dealtn » May 7th, 2020, 10:59 am

Leothebear wrote:It will be fascinating to see how the TV viewers react to "crowdless" footie.
Perhaps they'll use canned sound effects and fake images of crowds.

Will the TV companies continue to pay the clubs at the same rate? We should be told.


Why would they add crowd sound affects when everyone knows it's an empty ground, that would be stupid?

What does it matter what the commercial relationship is, and how it changes? I doubt it will be secret anyway, but why should it matter?

I think you are just negative because you don't want it to happen. Just be pragmatic and accept the changes, whatever they will be, and however long they last for.

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby Leothebear » May 7th, 2020, 11:10 am

Why would they add crowd sound affects when everyone knows it's an empty ground, that would be stupid?

What does it matter what the commercial relationship is, and how it changes? I doubt it will be secret anyway, but why should it matter?

I think you are just negative because you don't want it to happen. Just be pragmatic and accept the changes, whatever they will be, and however long they last for.


We all know about canned laughter but it still gets used. Anyway that's a side issue.

While I see it will resolve the issue of fulfilling the remaining fixtures and that is important.
What I struggle to see is who'd want to watch crowdless football on TV. So if the viewing figures dive then so will the income.
Won't it eventually be that the clubs will get vastly deflated fees? With players accepting no reduction in wages, where does that leave the clubs?
Again I'm talking top tier here.

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby dealtn » May 7th, 2020, 11:31 am

Leothebear wrote:
Why would they add crowd sound affects when everyone knows it's an empty ground, that would be stupid?

What does it matter what the commercial relationship is, and how it changes? I doubt it will be secret anyway, but why should it matter?

I think you are just negative because you don't want it to happen. Just be pragmatic and accept the changes, whatever they will be, and however long they last for.


We all know about canned laughter but it still gets used. Anyway that's a side issue.

While I see it will resolve the issue of fulfilling the remaining fixtures and that is important.
What I struggle to see is who'd want to watch crowdless football on TV. So if the viewing figures dive then so will the income.
Won't it eventually be that the clubs will get vastly deflated fees? With players accepting no reduction in wages, where does that leave the clubs?
Again I'm talking top tier here.


How many do you think watch the crowd, and not the football? Would make no difference to me.
Fees will likely drop, yes. Players will accept lower wages, more often as contracts expire and roll on worse terms, same with transfer fees.
Clubs finances will be worse, and clubs will go bust (although that takes time as so many are propped up despite the regulations - although this isn't so much "top tier")

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby Itsallaguess » May 7th, 2020, 11:45 am

Leothebear wrote:
What I struggle to see is who'd want to watch crowdless football on TV?


At this moment in time, I think I'd watch a game on one of those animated flick-books if someone gave me the chance...

Joking aside, I think you've got a good point, and we've all experienced those matches where the lack of crowds severely affects both the atmosphere of the game, and which also of course always seems to have a negative rub-off onto any players involved in those games, so it is likely to be a very strange situation, even if they are actually able to get the games off the ground even in that strictly limited capacity.

I suspect that they'll look to make wide and simultaneous use of the many TV football pundits who are currently sat around with nothing to commentate on, and hopefully create as good an 'in-game' situation as possible, given the clearly unfortunate circumstances, and it wouldn't surprise me to see some sort of 'socially-distanced' studio, or even perhaps on-line, live vocal audience set-up, to maybe at least give some ongoing and live background atmosphere to the matches.

If that were to be made possible, I'd imagine Joe-Public not to be allowed anywhere near a live microphone, but perhaps there might be options for groups of pundits and commentators to provide something useful and enjoyable for each game, and it's clear that this must be an area that's already been discussed at length, given it's huge implications for the potential enjoyment of such games...

I suppose we should hope to just trust the broadcasters here - this is the sort of issue that they're being paid to work out....

Cheers,

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby dealtn » May 11th, 2020, 12:03 pm

Spain looking to restart now too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52617493

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby Charlottesquare » May 13th, 2020, 3:12 pm

dealtn wrote:
Leothebear wrote:It will be fascinating to see how the TV viewers react to "crowdless" footie.
Perhaps they'll use canned sound effects and fake images of crowds.

Will the TV companies continue to pay the clubs at the same rate? We should be told.


Why would they add crowd sound affects when everyone knows it's an empty ground, that would be stupid?

What does it matter what the commercial relationship is, and how it changes? I doubt it will be secret anyway, but why should it matter?

I think you are just negative because you don't want it to happen. Just be pragmatic and accept the changes, whatever they will be, and however long they last for.


I do not know, if they can hook up live sound links to the houses of a few Celtic and Rangers fans there might be some "very spirited" choral accompaniment to their games.

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby dealtn » May 16th, 2020, 5:53 pm

Bundesliga started today with a schedule of 6 matches.

So much for all those it'll never happen, football is knackered, type of arguments.

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby Leothebear » May 18th, 2020, 12:12 pm

dealtn wrote:Bundesliga started today with a schedule of 6 matches.

So much for all those it'll never happen, football is knackered, type of arguments.


So how long can it continue in this spectatorless form?

Also .....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52579299

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Re: How will clubs survive this?

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Postby dealtn » May 18th, 2020, 1:16 pm

Leothebear wrote:
dealtn wrote:Bundesliga started today with a schedule of 6 matches.

So much for all those it'll never happen, football is knackered, type of arguments.


So how long can it continue in this spectatorless form?

Also .....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52579299


I can't see the authorities being comfortable allowing spectators for some time. presumably that will be next season at the earliest. So I think it will continue spectatorless until the end of the season.

It's a big loss of revenue, but percentage wise not so big. It will affect some clubs more than others, which is the case with relegation too, so not unprecedented for individual clubs. I suspect there will be some form of centralised payments to alleviate the worst of the financial hit, and that will be part of the current discussions.


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