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Re: Drug cheats - the excuses become even more bizarre

Posted: February 13th, 2024, 8:25 am
by mc2fool
bungeejumper wrote:
servodude wrote:Doesn't the IOC take the position that even if you are genetically female (XX), and physically female, and indentifying as female, you need to maintain a testosterone level sufficiently low as to not give a physical advantege (such that some need to artifically suppress it)?

Indeed it does, as with Caster Semenya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caster_Semenya). That's a separate issue from trans, of course, but also relevant.

Traditionalists continue to insist that if you're XX you're genetically female, and if you're XY you're genetically male, and if you're YYY you're Delilah. :)

BJ

That's the Differences in Sex Development rules and at the same time as the World Athletics council introduced the trans-after-puberty rule:

"The council also voted to cut the maximum amount of plasma testosterone for athletes with Differences in Sex Development (DSD) in half, to 2.5 nanomoles per litre from five.

The tighter rules will impact DSD athletes such as two-times Olympic 800m champion Caster Semenya, Christine Mboma, the 2020 Olympic silver medallist in the 200m, and Francine Niyonsaba, who finished runner-up to Semenya in the 800m at the 2016 Olympics.
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https://www.skysports.com/more-sports/athletics/news/29175/12840994/world-athletics-excludes-transgender-women-from-womens-competition-lord-coe-confirms

Caster Semenya BTW is XY with a DSD of "46 XY 5-ARD (5-alpha-reductase deficiency)" and, while appearing female externally, has internal testes and no uterus. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/67367157

Re: Drug cheats - the excuses become even more bizarre

Posted: February 13th, 2024, 8:37 am
by bungeejumper
mc2fool wrote:Caster Semenya BTW is XY with a DSD of "46 XY 5-ARD (5-alpha-reductase deficiency)" and, while appearing female externally, has internal testes and no uterus. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/67367157

Thanks, I'd forgotten that.

BJ

Re: Drug cheats - the excuses become even more bizarre

Posted: February 13th, 2024, 10:56 am
by servodude
bungeejumper wrote:
mc2fool wrote:Caster Semenya BTW is XY with a DSD of "46 XY 5-ARD (5-alpha-reductase deficiency)" and, while appearing female externally, has internal testes and no uterus. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/67367157

Thanks, I'd forgotten that.

BJ


Isn't it a pity that this nuanced subject gets debased to "something something 99%, get a cheap laugh at the expense of trans folk"?