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Anyone who knows Devon?

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Re: Anyone who knows Devon?

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Postby Stonge » March 10th, 2021, 12:25 am

Otterton, Ladram Bay, wouldn't go near, stay away, you wouldn't like it, not true that it's beautiful, that's just a lie

Honestly

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Re: Anyone who knows Devon?

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Postby DrFfybes » March 10th, 2021, 8:55 am

I did write a longish reply to this early in the thread, but it seems to have not appeared.

Anyway, we retired FROM Devon to Shropshire last year. If you retire to Devon you will never be a local - I think MrsF was accepted after about 30 years ;)

t is a lovely place, peaceful, warmer than The North, good air, and pretty much everything you could need. Also very popular with retirees, so caters well towards them in terms of healthcare.

Most of what I said was covered elsewhere, prices rise massively as you go towards the sea, some of the moorland villages are isolated and bleak in winter, several are largely only occupied in the summer by second home owners or rented as holiday lets.

Be aware how far you are from the rest of the country, people forget how big the South West is. I had people asking me out for a beer as they were working in Bristol, not realising they were nearly 3 hours away from my office in Plymouth.

It is a complete PITA if you need to get anywhere by road - the 2 roads out are the A303 and the M5, one of which is blocked at least once a week because of an accident, which means the other gets chokka too. My dad died in 2009. It was a reliable 4.5 hour drive to see mum near Oldham, and I did it every few weeks. In the last few years under 5 hours was a nice surprise, 5.5-6 the norm leaving about 6pm, and leaving 10am on a Friday morning could mean an 8-10 hour trip. On several occasions in recent years we've set off aiming to stop for a meal at Banbury or Kidderminster and found ourselves eating at Amesbury or Bristol. Avoid travelling to/from Devon Fri-Sun in summer or travel late in the evening.

The nearest useful airport is Bristol. Exeter has limited flights but the demise of Flybe has hit it. Like Plymouth airport, the Council has sold its stake, so don't be surprised to see plans for it to be converted to housing in a decade.

But don't let me put you off, there is plenty, if not everything there, but for us with ageing family elsewhere and no ties to the area any more, there was no reason to stay.

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Re: Anyone who knows Devon?

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Postby Lootman » March 10th, 2021, 4:34 pm

DrFfybes wrote:The nearest useful airport is Bristol. Exeter has limited flights but the demise of Flybe has hit it. Like Plymouth airport, the Council has sold its stake, so don't be surprised to see plans for it to be converted to housing in a decade.

Exeter airport (EXT) has been sold twice in the last 15 years. Selling to a group led by construction firm Balfour Beatty was a worrying move but it has since been resold to an aviation business, which is more promising.

I agree that the long distances and times by road or rail to destinations in the north and east are a problem. That makes Exeter airport a crucial resource. I will take cross-country trains as far as Birmingham (2.5 hours), Manchester and Liverpool (4 hours). But further afield I would fly, say Newcastle or anywhere in Scotland.

Yes, the demise of Flybe was a huge blow to EXT, although LoganAir has taken over some of their routes, and a couple of other airlines have cherry-picked the odd route. The key is going to be the return of travel post-Covid. I don't think EXT can survive just on summer charter travel. The routes to Dublin, Paris and Amsterdam were particularly useful for long-haul travel, and for avoiding Heathrow (about 3 hours at best from Exeter by rail).

And EXT airport is a joy to use. The terminal is smaller than some bus stations I have used. With no other airports between Newquay and Bristol, I believe there is a case for EXT to grow and flourish, given the popularity and affluence of its target community. Unless of course the UK government continues with its current policy of trying to kill the UK travel industry.

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Re: Anyone who knows Devon?

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Postby DrFfybes » March 14th, 2021, 10:26 am

Lootman wrote:Yes, the demise of Flybe was a huge blow to EXT, although LoganAir has taken over some of their routes, and a couple of other airlines have cherry-picked the odd route. The key is going to be the return of travel post-Covid. I don't think EXT can survive just on summer charter travel. The routes to Dublin, Paris and Amsterdam were particularly useful for long-haul travel, and for avoiding Heathrow (about 3 hours at best from Exeter by rail).

And EXT airport is a joy to use. The terminal is smaller than some bus stations I have used. With no other airports between Newquay and Bristol, I believe there is a case for EXT to grow and flourish, given the popularity and affluence of its target community. Unless of course the UK government continues with its current policy of trying to kill the UK travel industry.


I agree with that - it was a brilliant airport for us, I could leave home less than an hour before the Manchester flight departed, 15-20 min to the airport and straight through and in Manchester within 2 hours and with family 45 min later. I used it quite regularly once Plymouth closed. Then again I've arrived at Bristol under 30 min before a flight to the Isle of Man (accident on the M5 delayed us an hour) and still made the flight :) Once March was over there were some good Malaga flights at civilised times and the 3 or so hour drive over the mountains to Jerez was far prefereable to going direct from Stanstead.

As you say, the key will be the post Covid demand, which will be high this year but long term is another matter. I agree that the summer season can't keep it alive without more flights, and more "winter sun" routes (though more retirees down there will increase demand). One saing sign is the development to the East of Exeter - the Science Park as meant far more buses over a longer period, and a few closer trains at Cranbrook than there used to be.

OTOH once work demands ceased and time was less pressing, the flight choice from Bristol made the extra travel worth it, but one thing I might hae missed in this thread and of use to us was the ease of access to continental ferries, an easy ealry morning drive oer to Poole/Portsmouth, and the Plymouth routes were pricey but extremely convenient.

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Re: Anyone who knows Devon?

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Postby richfool » March 14th, 2021, 11:34 am

DrFfybes wrote:
Lootman wrote:Yes, the demise of Flybe was a huge blow to EXT, although LoganAir has taken over some of their routes, and a couple of other airlines have cherry-picked the odd route. The key is going to be the return of travel post-Covid. I don't think EXT can survive just on summer charter travel. The routes to Dublin, Paris and Amsterdam were particularly useful for long-haul travel, and for avoiding Heathrow (about 3 hours at best from Exeter by rail).

And EXT airport is a joy to use. The terminal is smaller than some bus stations I have used. With no other airports between Newquay and Bristol, I believe there is a case for EXT to grow and flourish, given the popularity and affluence of its target community. Unless of course the UK government continues with its current policy of trying to kill the UK travel industry.


I agree with that - it was a brilliant airport for us, I could leave home less than an hour before the Manchester flight departed, 15-20 min to the airport and straight through and in Manchester within 2 hours and with family 45 min later. I used it quite regularly once Plymouth closed. Then again I've arrived at Bristol under 30 min before a flight to the Isle of Man (accident on the M5 delayed us an hour) and still made the flight :) Once March was over there were some good Malaga flights at civilised times and the 3 or so hour drive over the mountains to Jerez was far prefereable to going direct from Stanstead.

As you say, the key will be the post Covid demand, which will be high this year but long term is another matter. I agree that the summer season can't keep it alive without more flights, and more "winter sun" routes (though more retirees down there will increase demand). One saing sign is the development to the East of Exeter - the Science Park as meant far more buses over a longer period, and a few closer trains at Cranbrook than there used to be.

OTOH once work demands ceased and time was less pressing, the flight choice from Bristol made the extra travel worth it, but one thing I might hae missed in this thread and of use to us was the ease of access to continental ferries, an easy ealry morning drive oer to Poole/Portsmouth, and the Plymouth routes were pricey but extremely convenient.

Paul

Yes, I very much concur with both posts above.

I often fly long haul and hate having to get to Heathrow. I live in Dorset, mid way between Exeter and Southampton. I have so often researched flights from either Exeter or Southampton (preferably the latter), into Europe and then long haul from there, but unfortunately, they never connect. The best I could find would usually necessitate something like a 20 hour stoppover in Amsterdam or Frankfurt.

When I used to live in Exeter, upon returning from overseas into Heathrow and having cause to go to NE Yorkshire for a family event, I flew Heathrow to Tees-side and then back from Leeds/Bradford to Exeter.

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Re: Anyone who knows Devon?

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Postby Lootman » March 14th, 2021, 1:58 pm

richfool wrote:I often fly long haul and hate having to get to Heathrow. I live in Dorset, mid way between Exeter and Southampton. I have so often researched flights from either Exeter or Southampton (preferably the latter), into Europe and then long haul from there, but unfortunately, they never connect. The best I could find would usually necessitate something like a 20 hour stoppover in Amsterdam or Frankfurt.

Those 20 hour layovers can be used to your advantage though, if you are not in a hurry. If you book the long-haul segment as originating in Dublin, Amsterdam or wherever, then the fare is often much cheaper than from Heathrow, not least because there is no UK air passenger tax to pay.

The only problem with dong that is the risk of missing your connection, but with a 20 hour layover that is not a problem. The saving, at least in premium cabins, easily covers the cost of an overnight stay at an airport hotel. And most airport lounges have no time restrictions so you can grab a couple of free meals there.

I have done that from Dublin to North America four times in the last 2/3 years. Dublin has two airport hotels that you can walk to from the terminals.


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