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Re: Passenger locator forms

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Postby swill453 » September 1st, 2020, 1:03 pm

Alaric wrote:If someone took the precaution of recording a mobile number on the form, ensured they had the charged mobile of that number with them at all times and switched off where possible apps that reported location, how would the quarantine be enforced?

What "apps that reported location" do you have in mind? Do you imagine "they" could remotely interrogate your apps?

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Re: Passenger locator forms

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Postby terminal7 » September 1st, 2020, 1:52 pm

You can provide either a landline or mobile number - or both - on the form. Of course, you can provide incorrect info, incorrect address, incorrect passport details etc on the form. The extent that the system will be able to track down any individual who supplies completely incorrect information after their return to the UK is unclear to me.

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Re: Passenger locator forms

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Postby Alaric » September 1st, 2020, 2:07 pm

swill453 wrote:What "apps that reported location" do you have in mind? Do you imagine "they" could remotely interrogate your apps?


Google locations would be one. Given the supposed risks of catching the virus from all sorts of normal activities, a personal risk assessment would suggest that when an app like Google locations is tracking where you are, "they" could interrogate it.

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Re: Passenger locator forms

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Postby swill453 » September 1st, 2020, 4:59 pm

Alaric wrote:Google locations would be one. Given the supposed risks of catching the virus from all sorts of normal activities, a personal risk assessment would suggest that when an app like Google locations is tracking where you are, "they" could interrogate it.

If the UK authorities could get location tracking information from Google without a court order, that would be a scandal/conspiracy of tinfoil-hat proportions. Ain't gonna happen.

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Re: Passenger locator forms

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Postby AF62 » September 1st, 2020, 8:48 pm

Alaric wrote:
swill453 wrote:What "apps that reported location" do you have in mind? Do you imagine "they" could remotely interrogate your apps?


Google locations would be one. Given the supposed risks of catching the virus from all sorts of normal activities, a personal risk assessment would suggest that when an app like Google locations is tracking where you are, "they" could interrogate it.


Only if you use an Android phone.

With Apple you can restrict apps to only accessing location data and using it whilst you are using the app in the foreground. Apple's privacy control was what doomed the tracking app.

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Re: Passenger locator forms

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Postby Lootman » September 19th, 2020, 10:24 am

Alaric wrote:
terminal7 wrote:You are mistaken - it clearly means what it says on the tin - quarantine for 14 days. No visitors, no outside exercise (unless you got a garden/balcony), arrange for food to be delivered etc...

If someone took the precaution of recording a mobile number on the form, ensured they had the charged mobile of that number with them at all times and switched off where possible apps that reported location, how would the quarantine be enforced?

T7 isn't quite correct. You can leave your home to get food, if nobody else can go for you. You are not condemned to Dominos Pizza for 2 weeks.

And it is not enforced. Recently I was not checked at the airport and received no phone call, let alone a visit. It is really an invitation to self-quarantine. The main risk of getting caught may be being ratted out by a neighbour or acquaintance. The two recent cases in the Isle of Man, where two people went to jail for breaking quarantine, were both ratted out by others.

So if you are going to break quarantine, don't brag about it.

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Re: Passenger locator forms

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Postby terminal7 » September 19th, 2020, 11:12 am

Of course you are right Lootman as the govt site says:
In England, you are allowed to leave your accommodation in exceptional circumstances. This includes such things as:
•accessing basic necessities like food and medicines where you cannot arrange for these to be delivered
•moving to a different place for self-isolation where you can no longer remain where you are


and

You will need to consider carefully whether your circumstances are exceptional circumstances that require you to leave your place of self-isolation.


Hence the guy in Bolton having to go out on a pub crawl etc . . .

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Re: Passenger locator forms

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Postby terminal7 » September 19th, 2020, 11:15 am

In fact, it is evident from my own experience of returning from France recently as well as talking to others who have also returned from 'red' countries (on the phone of course!), the monitoring of the forms at the borders is virtually non-existent. The whole system is largely a sham - but is just par for the course with this administration.

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Re: Passenger locator forms

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Postby MarshalMcEachern » October 13th, 2020, 6:36 am

Each country's rules for the entrance differ so much and change so often, that it's quite impossible to find a universal answer on how to travel :|

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Re: Passenger locator forms

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Postby stockton » October 20th, 2020, 11:19 am

terminal7 wrote:In fact, it is evident from my own experience of returning from France recently as well as talking to others who have also returned from 'red' countries (on the phone of course!), the monitoring of the forms at the borders is virtually non-existent. The whole system is largely a sham - but is just par for the course with this administration.

T7

You seem to have your complaint back-to-front. All that needs to happen is that they match the passenger list to the locator forms.
Avoids any risk involved in speaking to passengers.

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Re: Passenger locator forms

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Postby dspp » October 22nd, 2020, 11:12 am

terminal7 wrote:In fact, it is evident from my own experience of returning from France recently as well as talking to others who have also returned from 'red' countries (on the phone of course!), the monitoring of the forms at the borders is virtually non-existent. The whole system is largely a sham - but is just par for the course with this administration.

T7


Have you tried getting past the UK border at a major port / airport without filling in a PLF ?

On the PLF you have to give your passport number. I rather suspect the UK Border Force entry barrier/staff simply check against the database and the corresponding allow/deny/force-to-fill-in-a-application code.

Yesterday at LGW it was rather amusing to watch the reprobates who hadn't filled in a PLF. They were all huddled in a frantic mass trying to complete a PLF on their mobile phones before being permitted to proceed any further. I think about 5-10% had tried it on.

regards, dspp

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Re: Passenger locator forms

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Postby terminal7 » October 22nd, 2020, 6:22 pm

I have to admit that 'my own experience of returning from France recently' was in August. Glad to read that the situation has tightened up since then.

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