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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby Dod101 » September 28th, 2021, 3:09 pm

I am still running Windows 7 and have been meaning to get W10 for some time. The Healthcheck only seems to work if you are running W10 so how can I check if my hardware is good enough for Windows11?

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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby Breelander » September 28th, 2021, 3:15 pm

mc2fool wrote:... I was just wondering what feature of 8th+ gen processors W11 uses that 7th gen don't have ... and why they couldn't code round it and use a fallback mechanism.....


Microsoft wrote:
  1. Security. Windows 11 raises the bar for security by requiring hardware that can enable protections like Windows Hello, Device Encryption, virtualization-based security (VBS), hypervisor-protected code integrity (HVCI) and Secure Boot. The combination of these features has been shown to reduce malware by 60% on tested devices. To meet the principle, all Windows 11 supported CPUs have an embedded TPM, support secure boot, and support VBS and specific VBS capabilities.

  2. Reliability. Devices upgraded to Windows 11 will be in a supported and reliable state. By choosing CPUs that have adopted the new Windows Driver model and are supported by our OEM and silicon partners who are achieving a 99.8% crash free experience.
https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insid ... uirements/

In particular, it seems that that Intel only support the 'new Windows Driver model' drivers for their 8th gen or later processors.

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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby Infrasonic » September 28th, 2021, 3:37 pm

The currently supported AMD CPU's are here...https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/window ... processors

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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby Alaric » September 28th, 2021, 4:36 pm

Dod101 wrote: how can I check if my hardware is good enough for Windows11?


Reading between the lines, if the machine is old enough to have come with Windows 7 pre-installed it's unlikely to have whatever latest specification MS now consider necessary.

Lie many others, I thought that Windows 10 was going to be the last ever "new" release. Did MS ever do anything until recently to correct that perception?

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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby Breelander » September 28th, 2021, 5:47 pm

Dod101 wrote:I am still running Windows 7 and have been meaning to get W10 for some time. The Healthcheck only seems to work if you are running W10 so how can I check if my hardware is good enough for Windows11?

Dod



There are a number of independent 3rd party checkers available. WhyNotWin11 requires Windows 8 or above....

https://www.whynotwin11.com/download/

This one should work on anything....

https://www.elevenforum.com/resources/w ... .4/history

for Win7 try version 1.4.1 or earlier....

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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby Breelander » September 28th, 2021, 6:54 pm

Alaric wrote:
Dod101 wrote: how can I check if my hardware is good enough for Windows11?


Reading between the lines, if the machine is old enough to have come with Windows 7 pre-installed it's unlikely to have whatever latest specification MS now consider necessary.


That is almost certainly the case. The timelines don't seem to make it possible for a PC supplied by the OEM with W7 preinstalled to have anything newer than a 7th gen Intel processor.

The last sales Microsoft permitted of PCs with preinstalled W7 Home/Premium/Ultimate was 31st Oct. 2014, and for W7 Pro it was 31st Oct. 2016.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft ... ows-7-pcs/

While Intel's 8th gen was announced in 2017.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11869/in ... processors

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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby Dod101 » September 28th, 2021, 9:41 pm

Yes. I am thinking that if I want to use W11 then I may have to ditch a perfectly good machine or maybe install Windows 10 which I im,agin would work there I have an i3 3.5 Hz CPU but no idea what generation.

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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby Breelander » September 29th, 2021, 12:19 am

Dod101 wrote:... I have an i3 3.5 Hz CPU but no idea what generation.


Intel's numbering is relatively easy to decode. For an i3/i5/i7 if the number following is three digits, then it's a 'previous generation' (aka 1st gen) processor. For a 2nd gen processor a '2' is added at the beginning as a 'generation indicator' ('8' for 8th gen, '10' for 10th gen, etc.). For example, an i3-8145U is 8th gen.

Full details here: https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/ ... mbers.html
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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby servodude » September 29th, 2021, 12:21 am

Dod101 wrote:Yes. I am thinking that if I want to use W11 then I may have to ditch a perfectly good machine or maybe install Windows 10 which I im,agin would work there I have an i3 3.5 Hz CPU but no idea what generation.

Dod


If you are interested in finding out I can recommend Speccy by Piriform (the guys who make CCleaner) https://www.ccleaner.com/speccy/download
- I've never needed anything other than the free version

In the CPU tab you can see everything you ever wanted to know about your CPU but were afraid to ask
I believe the "specification" entry gives you the generation in the leading digit of the designator after the name
- here's a couple of examples (9 & 10th gen) I'm presently connected to

Code: Select all

Cores   6
Threads   6
Name   Intel Core i5
Code Name   Coffee Lake
Package   Socket 1151 LGA
Technology   14nm
Specification   Intel Core i5-9400F CPU @ 2.90GHz
Family   6
Extended Family   6
Model   E
Extended Model   9E
Stepping   A
Revision   U0
Instructions   MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, Intel 64, NX, VMX, AES, AVX, AVX2, FMA3
Virtualization   Supported, Enabled
Hyperthreading   Not supported
Stock Core Speed   2900 MHz
Stock Bus Speed   100 MHz


Code: Select all

Cores   10
Threads   20
Name   Intel Core i9 10900
Code Name   Comet Lake
Package   Socket 1200 LGA
Technology   14nm
Specification   Intel Core i9-10900 CPU @ 2.80GHz
Family   6
Extended Family   6
Model   5
Extended Model   A5
Stepping   5
Revision   Q0
Instructions   MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, Intel 64, NX, VMX, AES, AVX, AVX2, FMA3
Virtualization   Supported, Enabled
Hyperthreading   Supported, Enabled
Stock Core Speed   2800 MHz
Stock Bus Speed   100 MHz


It's a really useful app' for looking under the covers without having to physically remove the covers

- sd

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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby Dod101 » September 29th, 2021, 1:21 am

Breelander wrote:
Dod101 wrote:... I have an i3 3.5 Hz CPU but no idea what generation.


Intel's numbering is relatively easy to decode. For an i3/i5/i7 if the number following is three digits, then it's a 'previous generation' (aka 1st gen) processor. For a 2nd gen processor a '2' is added at the beginning as a 'generation indicator' ('8' for 8th gen, '10' for 10th gen, etc.). For example, an i3-8145U is 8th gen.

Full details here: https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/ ... mbers.html


Thanks for that. My i3 is therefore 4th generation. Ancient I guess. What a shame because it seems to work fine. How can we get this sort of information?

I will try to take this sort of thing more seriously in future because I know I should be upgrading my Windows 7 even if it does all that I think I need.

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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby Dod101 » September 29th, 2021, 1:24 am

servodude wrote:
Dod101 wrote:Yes. I am thinking that if I want to use W11 then I may have to ditch a perfectly good machine or maybe install Windows 10 which I im,agin would work there I have an i3 3.5 Hz CPU but no idea what generation.

Dod


If you are interested in finding out I can recommend Speccy by Piriform (the guys who make CCleaner) https://www.ccleaner.com/speccy/download
- I've never needed anything other than the free version

In the CPU tab you can see everything you ever wanted to know about your CPU but were afraid to ask
I believe the "specification" entry gives you the generation in the leading digit of the designator after the name
- here's a couple of examples (9 & 10th gen) I'm presently connected to

Code: Select all

Cores   6
Threads   6
Name   Intel Core i5
Code Name   Coffee Lake
Package   Socket 1151 LGA
Technology   14nm
Specification   Intel Core i5-9400F CPU @ 2.90GHz
Family   6
Extended Family   6
Model   E
Extended Model   9E
Stepping   A
Revision   U0
Instructions   MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, Intel 64, NX, VMX, AES, AVX, AVX2, FMA3
Virtualization   Supported, Enabled
Hyperthreading   Not supported
Stock Core Speed   2900 MHz
Stock Bus Speed   100 MHz


Code: Select all

Cores   10
Threads   20
Name   Intel Core i9 10900
Code Name   Comet Lake
Package   Socket 1200 LGA
Technology   14nm
Specification   Intel Core i9-10900 CPU @ 2.80GHz
Family   6
Extended Family   6
Model   5
Extended Model   A5
Stepping   5
Revision   Q0
Instructions   MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, Intel 64, NX, VMX, AES, AVX, AVX2, FMA3
Virtualization   Supported, Enabled
Hyperthreading   Supported, Enabled
Stock Core Speed   2800 MHz
Stock Bus Speed   100 MHz


It's a really useful app' for looking under the covers without having to physically remove the covers

- sd


Thanks. At a more sensible time of the day I will look carefully at all of that. I am grateful for your help!

Dod

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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby Infrasonic » September 29th, 2021, 10:28 am

I use free speccy too.
If you run it as a start up app you can also use it as a real time temperature monitor minimised to the system tray (view/options/system tray) - takes up a tiny space.
I run average CPU temp but you can also monitor individual cores, motherboard temp or SSD/HDD by right clicking and going to tray metrics.

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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby Julian » September 29th, 2021, 2:19 pm

Breelander wrote:With the official launch of Windows 11 just a couple of weeks away I'm surprised no one has mentioned or asked about it yet ;)
...

Thanks for the info Breelander; much appreciated. I already knew a fair bit about Windows 11 but for some reason the announcement of an exact availability date had escaped me.

Admittedly I'm just a retired guy with a single computer to worry about, and I do realise that even small business let alone corporate roll-outs are way more of an issue such that stuff as trivial as look and feel aren't likely to be compelling, but personally while I might wait a week or so to check there are no obvious day-zero catastrophic bugs that cause the rollout to be paused, I'll be all over this after that brief delay. I really like what I've seen re some of the aesthetic tweaks to the UI and the ability to run Android apps at least looks interesting in principle although what restrictions there are are how limiting it is to only have access to those apps that are listed in the Amazon store remains to be seen. I have checked my compatibility and I do have TPM 2.0 plus more than adequate CPU/RAM/SSD specifications so my PC is compatible.

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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby Breelander » September 29th, 2021, 3:03 pm

Dod101 wrote:Thanks for that. My i3 is therefore 4th generation. Ancient I guess. What a shame because it seems to work fine....


...and will continue to do so, running W7 or upgraded to W10. I have a laptop with a 1st generation i5 that is still quite fast enough for some serious video editing. In fact I'm currently testing Windows 11 on it (having used a workaround to bypass the installer checks). Though I'll be putting W10 back on it soon.

Julian wrote:I have checked my compatibility and I do have TPM 2.0 plus more than adequate CPU/RAM/SSD specifications so my PC is compatible.


Just because it's compatible doesn't mean there is any rush (or need) to upgrade it. What will happen some time after the 5th Oct. is that a banner will appear in Windows Update saying your machine is compatible with W11, would you like the upgrade? There will be two choices: 'upgrade' and 'stay on Windows 10 for now'. If you click 'stay on W10' then the notice will disappear and you can carry on using Windows 10. After all, it's in full support until Oct 2025.

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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby Breelander » October 4th, 2021, 2:30 pm

Microsoft's usual time for releasing updates is 10am in Redmond, WA. That makes it likely that for the UK Windows 11 will launch at 6pm tomorrow.....

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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby Breelander » October 5th, 2021, 6:34 am

Windows 11 is now officially available, read more about it here:

Microsoft wrote:How to get Windows 11
By John Cable, Vice President, Program Management, Windows Servicing and Delivery
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperi ... indows-11/

You can get Windows 11 now, either by downloading the Install Assistant, the Media Creation Tool, or directly downloading the ISO.

Microsoft wrote:Download Windows 11

There are three options for installing or creating Windows 11 media. Take a look at each one to determine the best option for you.
If you are upgrading from Windows 10, we recommend that you wait until you are notified through Windows Update that the upgrade is ready for your PC.

Before installing, please refer to the PC Health Check app to confirm your device meets the minimum system requirements for Windows 11 and check the Windows release information status for known issues that may affect your device.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/softwar ... /windows11

The PC Health Check app is available here: https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

I also recommend you wait to be notified through Windows Update. The roll-out will start slowly and cautiously, only the newest PCs are likely to see it offered initially. the roll-out is not planned to end until well into 2022. When it's your turn you will see a notice in Windows Update saying that you PC is able to run Windows 11, with the options 'Download and install' and 'Stay on Windows 10 for now'. If you click the 'Stay on Windows 10...' option the notification will disappear. It may return later as a reminder but can be dismissed again, the Windows 11 download and install will only start if you click the 'Download' button.

PCs that are not eligible will also start seeing a notice in Windows Update. This one says:

This PC doesn't meet all the requirements for Windows 11
Get the details and see if there are things you can do in the PC Health Check app.

There is a X on the right hand edge of this notice. Click it and the notice will be removed, to be replaced by a smaller note in the 'learn more' section on the right of the Window Update page.

If your PC is less than four years old but does not currently meet the requirements, then there may be some things you can do to change that.

Microsoft wrote:In some cases, PCs that are capable of running TPM 2.0 are not set up to do so. If you are considering upgrading to Windows 11, check to ensure TPM 2.0 is enabled on your device. Most retail PC motherboards used by people building their own PC, for example, ship with TPM turned off by default even though it is almost always available to be enabled.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/win ... 6b0c90645c

Microsoft wrote:Secure Boot is an important security feature designed to prevent malicious software from loading when your PC starts up (boots). Most modern PCs are capable of Secure Boot, but in some instances, there may be settings that cause the PC to appear to not be capable of Secure Boot.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/top ... 3abef64fad

But above all, remember that there is no need to rush into upgrading to Windows 11. Windows 10 will be fully supported until 14th October 2025.

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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby pje16 » October 5th, 2021, 8:23 am

Breelander wrote:But above all, remember that there is no need to rush into upgrading to Windows 11. Windows 10 will be fully supported until 14th October 2025.

Agreed
I fail to understand those who jump straight onto any new version of any software/system update
the number of times there are bugs followed by patches is incredible
but to those who do, thank you for testing it for me :lol:

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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby Peltiq » October 5th, 2021, 2:45 pm

Does anybody know whether an already installed version of Office 2016 (on Win 10) will automatically work with Win 11?

Thanks

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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby pje16 » October 5th, 2021, 2:53 pm

Office tends to compatible with most versions of windows but yes according to this
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/mso ... 2ba2c1baca

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Re: Windows 11 available on October 5

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Postby Breelander » October 5th, 2021, 3:52 pm

Peltiq wrote:Does anybody know whether an already installed version of Office 2016 (on Win 10) will automatically work with Win 11?

I have yet to find any of my installed software that doesn't work after upgrading to Windows 11. I don't have Office 2016, but I have upgraded a machine that has Office 2010 Starter. That still works fine in Windows 11.


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