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Memory Usage of Ubuntu Flavours

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Postby GeoffF100 » March 30th, 2020, 8:48 am

I found this article:

https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2019/07/comp ... -2019.html

19.04 is not the latest version. The latest version is 19.10. The next Long Term Support version 20.04 is due in about a month. Nonetheless, the data is interesting. Lubuntu (350 MB), Kubuntu (380 MB) and Xubuntu (400 MB) all seem to have very similar memory usage. The others are relative fatties. Lubuntu is the leanest, but Xubuntu uses only 1.25% more of the 4 GB on my HP 4300 SFF. Lubuntu uses the new LXQt desktop, whereas Xubuntu uses the old Xfce desktop, which is likely to be more trouble free. Both desktops have the same layout as Windows XP, after a few tweaks.

I am really pleased with Xubuntu. I have not had any problems at all with it. It is great to use, and always puts a smile on my face. Windows 10 is horrible by comparison. Xubuntu 18.04 (the current Long Term Support version) is running very well indeed on a £49 computer. The processor is an Intel Core i3-3220, and the machine is fast for web browsing with Firefox. LibreOffice and GIMP run well too.

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Re: Memory Usage of Ubuntu Flavours

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Postby Itsallaguess » March 30th, 2020, 9:00 am

GeoffF100 wrote:
I am really pleased with Xubuntu. I have not had any problems at all with it. It is great to use, and always puts a smile on my face.

Windows 10 is horrible by comparison.


It's funny, because I was a relatively late adopter of Windows 10, having settled on Windows 7 for most of my machines and being very happy with it for years, and I was initially very reluctant to go away from that situation if I could at all help it. Everything just 'worked' with my Windows 7 set-ups, so why bother?

But after taking up Windows 10 some time ago, when I got a new micro PC to stick behind my monitor (my best ever PC as well, btw - ASRock Deskmini 110 - https://tinyurl.com/vd4b3q6) - I've now got to say that it's the best version of Windows that I've ever used, and I go all the way back to Windows 95 vintage....

It's stable, it's quick, and it's intuitive now that I've got used to it. Those that struggle to transition from Windows 7 can easily configure their Windows 10 machines to work very much the same as their old Windows 7 systems, but I never bothered to do that, and just bit the bullet with the really quite low-level differences...

I'm sure Xubuntu is fine for those that feel it suits their individual needs, but my needs contain enough Windows-specific requirements to ensure that it's likely to be my OS platform of choice for many years yet, and I'm very pleased to say that I'm happy that Windows 10 continues to deliver on those requirements very, very well...

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Re: Memory Usage of Ubuntu Flavours

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Postby ReformedCharacter » March 30th, 2020, 11:37 am

Itsallaguess wrote:
It's funny, because I was a relatively late adopter of Windows 10, having settled on Windows 7 for most of my machines and being very happy with it for years, and I was initially very reluctant to go away from that situation if I could at all help it. Everything just 'worked' with my Windows 7 set-ups, so why bother?

But after taking up Windows 10 some time ago, when I got a new micro PC to stick behind my monitor (my best ever PC as well, btw - ASRock Deskmini 110 - https://tinyurl.com/vd4b3q6) - I've now got to say that it's the best version of Windows that I've ever used, and I go all the way back to Windows 95 vintage....

It's stable, it's quick, and it's intuitive now that I've got used to it. Those that struggle to transition from Windows 7 can easily configure their Windows 10 machines to work very much the same as their old Windows 7 systems, but I never bothered to do that, and just bit the bullet with the really quite low-level differences...

I'm sure Xubuntu is fine for those that feel it suits their individual needs, but my needs contain enough Windows-specific requirements to ensure that it's likely to be my OS platform of choice for many years yet, and I'm very pleased to say that I'm happy that Windows 10 continues to deliver on those requirements very, very well...

Cheers,

Itsallaguess


I use Windows 7 and Debian at the moment. I'm planning to build a new PC soon - actually I'd like to build it now but can't get the CPU for another month, a Ryzen 5 3400 - and will need a version of Windows since I sometimes produce software with Visual Studio. So Win 10 it will be with another Linux distro, probably Ubuntu or Mint. I've used and appreciated MS products for a long time and used to be a dab hand with autoexec.bat and config.sys. I've set up Win 10 for other people who are foolish enough to ask for my help. Two things put me off:

The loss of long-learned routes to items such as the Control Panel, MS now want me to 'search' for items which previously were a few mouse-clicks away. That's actually a slower way of getting from A to B.

Secondly, the amount of stuff that gets installed that I will never use. Planning ahead I found various scripts and whatnot for removing the 'crapware' such as Debloater, this is what it removes from Win 10:

3DBuilder, Appconnector, Bing Finance, Bing News, Bing Sports, Bing Weather, Fresh Paint, Get started, Microsoft Office Hub, Microsoft Solitaire Collection, Microsoft Sticky Notes, OneNote, OneConnect, People, Skype for Desktop, Alarms, Camera, Maps, Phone, SoundRecorder, XboxApp, Zune Music, Zune Video, Windows communications apps, Minecraft, PowerBI, Network Speed Test, Phone, Messaging, Office Sway, OneConnect, Windows Feedback Hub, Bing Food And Drink, Bing Travel, Bing Health And Fitness, Windows Reading List, Twitter, Pandora, Flipboard, Shazam, CandyCrush, CandyCrushSoda, King apps, iHeartRadio, Netflix, DrawboardPDF, PicsArt-PhotoStudio, FarmVille 2 Country Escape, TuneInRadio, Asphalt8, NYT Crossword, CyberLink MediaSuite Essentials, Facebook, Royal Revolt 2, Caesars Slots Free Casino, March of Empires, Phototastic Collage, Autodesk SketchBook, Duolingo, EclipseManager, ActiproSoftware, BioEnrollment, Windows Feedback, Xbox Game CallableUI, Xbox Identity Provider, and ContactSupport


I expect I'll come to appreciate Win 10 when I have used it for a while but I like fast and responsive PCs unencumbered with stuff I don't want so I find that lot a complete turn-off. Thanks for your encouraging comments IAAG.

RC

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Re: Memory Usage of Ubuntu Flavours

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Postby GeoffF100 » March 30th, 2020, 12:49 pm

Windows 10 has one icon on the task bar for each running application. You have to click that to see the open documents of that application. I hate that. With XP, Lubuntu and Xubuntu, I get an entry on the task bar (AKA Panel) for each open document. I can see all my documents and bring them up with a single click.

I hate the lock screen. I know that I can get rid of it by fiddling in the Registry, but Microsoft should not be adding crap just to annoy me.

I hate the bloat of Windows 10. The previously useful and much copied start menu is now useless because of all the crap.

I hate the way the way window navigation keeps changing, so that if I find a fix for a problem, it no longer works.

I hate the fact that most of the useful functions are "advanced options" and are hidden away.

If I am foolish enough to use Edge. it keeps resizing the window to what it wants whenever I launch the application. Infuriating.

Xubuntu is simple and easy. Windows 10 is complicated. Xubuntu is pretty. Windows is ugly. Xubuntu is nice to use. Windows is not.

I am sure that I could think of much more things to hate if I put my mind to it. With Linux, that is not a problem. I can change it. With Windows, I am stuck.

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Re: Memory Usage of Ubuntu Flavours

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Postby Itsallaguess » March 30th, 2020, 1:25 pm

GeoffF100 wrote:
With Windows, I am stuck.


I think it's fairly clear that you're view on Windows is not going to change Geoff, and I'm simply responding to your points to highlight to others who may be reading, that many of the 'issues' you've mentioned do indeed have workarounds, and you are not at all 'stuck', other than perhaps in a purely philosophical sense...

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Re: Memory Usage of Ubuntu Flavours

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Postby mc2fool » March 30th, 2020, 1:31 pm

GeoffF100 wrote:Windows 10 has one icon on the task bar for each running application. You have to click that to see the open documents of that application.

No it doesn't, at least not until the taskbar is full and you have "Combine taskbar buttons" set to "When the taskbar is full". If you don't like that you can set it to "Never".

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Re: Memory Usage of Ubuntu Flavours

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Postby PrincessB » March 30th, 2020, 3:59 pm

I'm planning to build a new PC soon - actually I'd like to build it now but can't get the CPU for another month, a Ryzen 5 3400


Do you mean the 3400g? Quad core/eight thread with on proceesor Vega 11 graphics?

Don't get me wrong, I'd like one of these as well but the price to performance level is a bit on the steep side.

If you're not planning on a micro build, the Radeon 3600 offers more horsepower for the same sort of price with the downside of needing a graphics card. It appears that the cooler offered for both of these chips can differ, if you've got the space the Wraith Spire is apparently rather good.

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Re: Memory Usage of Ubuntu Flavours

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Postby ReformedCharacter » March 30th, 2020, 4:46 pm

PrincessB wrote:
I'm planning to build a new PC soon - actually I'd like to build it now but can't get the CPU for another month, a Ryzen 5 3400


Do you mean the 3400g? Quad core/eight thread with on proceesor Vega 11 graphics?

Don't get me wrong, I'd like one of these as well but the price to performance level is a bit on the steep side.

If you're not planning on a micro build, the Radeon 3600 offers more horsepower for the same sort of price with the downside of needing a graphics card. It appears that the cooler offered for both of these chips can differ, if you've got the space the Wraith Spire is apparently rather good.

B.


That's the one, with Wraith Spire. I'd prefer not to have a separate graphics card. I ordered it from Scan and paid for it (£125), I note that the price has risen another £15 since then.

Also:

Gigabyte B450 AORUS Elite
16GB 3000MHz DDR4
1TB NVME
SSD Caddy and some 250GB SSDs

I might change my mind a little before I can actually get the CPU which should be in about 4 weeks. Comments welcome :)

RC

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Re: Memory Usage of Ubuntu Flavours

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Postby Itsallaguess » March 30th, 2020, 4:58 pm

ReformedCharacter wrote:
Also:

Gigabyte B450 AORUS Elite
16GB 3000MHz DDR4
1TB NVME
SSD Caddy and some 250GB SSDs

I might change my mind a little before I can actually get the CPU which should be in about 4 weeks.

Comments welcome.


I've been keeping an eye on 1TB NVME cards for a while now, and noticed this Crucial one come in at £96 delivered from the manufacturers, which seemed like a good deal and a little cheaper than Amazon for the same drive -

https://uk.crucial.com/ssd/p1/ct1000p1ssd8

If there's key performance metrics that you're interested in, rather than just price, then you might be fishing elsewhere, but I thought I'd mention the above as it seems to hit a fairly good sweet-spot for price vs performance if looking to save a few quid..

Cheers,

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Re: Memory Usage of Ubuntu Flavours

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Postby ReformedCharacter » March 30th, 2020, 5:04 pm

Itsallaguess wrote:
ReformedCharacter wrote:
Also:

Gigabyte B450 AORUS Elite
16GB 3000MHz DDR4
1TB NVME
SSD Caddy and some 250GB SSDs

I might change my mind a little before I can actually get the CPU which should be in about 4 weeks.

Comments welcome.


I've been keeping an eye on 1TB NVME cards for a while now, and noticed this Crucial one come in at £96 delivered from the manufacturers, which seemed like a good deal and a little cheaper than Amazon for the same drive -

https://uk.crucial.com/ssd/p1/ct1000p1ssd8

If there's key performance metrics that you're interested in, rather than just price, then you might be fishing elsewhere, but I thought I'd mention the above as it seems to hit a fairly good sweet-spot for price vs performance if looking to save a few quid..

Cheers,

Itsallaguess


Thanks v. much looks good.

RC

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Re: Memory Usage of Ubuntu Flavours

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Postby GeoffF100 » March 30th, 2020, 5:22 pm

mc2fool wrote:
GeoffF100 wrote:Windows 10 has one icon on the task bar for each running application. You have to click that to see the open documents of that application.

No it doesn't, at least not until the taskbar is full and you have "Combine taskbar buttons" set to "When the taskbar is full". If you don't like that you can set it to "Never".

Thank you for that. That was my biggest Windows 10 hate. I have to say that I have another higher spec machine running Windows 10. I also have to say that the Windows machine has a big TN panel monitor, which is much less nice to look at than the small IPS monitor on the Linux machine.

This all leaves Lubuntu in a difficult position. It was the saviour of old computers. Smaller desktop software is not the advantage it was. All the other software has got bigger, and powerful used machines have become very cheap. Nonetheless, when the Lubuntu team said that their main focus is shifting from providing a distribution for old hardware there was an outcry:

https://itsfoss.com/lubuntu-no-more-old-distro

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Re: Memory Usage of Ubuntu Flavours

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Postby JohnB » March 30th, 2020, 5:41 pm

Windows 10, utterly horrid, incredibly slow on my laptop. Say no more

My Linux desktop running Mint is lovely, except for the memory usage of my browsers (Firefox, Waterfox, Chromium-browser) which bleed terribly and climb to multi-gb virtual usage, both for their exexcutables and the Web Content process. I have to keep killing them every few weeks. At least restore is painless.

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Re: Memory Usage of Ubuntu Flavours

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Postby GeoffF100 » March 30th, 2020, 8:20 pm

JohnB wrote:Windows 10, utterly horrid, incredibly slow on my laptop. Say no more

My Linux desktop running Mint is lovely, except for the memory usage of my browsers (Firefox, Waterfox, Chromium-browser) which bleed terribly and climb to multi-gb virtual usage, both for their exexcutables and the Web Content process. I have to keep killing them every few weeks. At least restore is painless.

How does that happen? I have not had any problems with Firefox and Lubuntu or Xubuntu. I also tried Chrome, Chromium and Opera with Lubuntu. Again, no problems. I do a full boot from SSD whenever I start a session. The memory used does not appear to climb when I browse. I believe Mint does a fast boot by default. That will not do an SSD a lot of good.

I have done some investigation with free -h, Xfce Task Manager and Gnome System Monitor. The memory used is fairly consistent between free -h and Task Manager, but not identical. The value is a little larger than the link above, but I am using an older version of Xubuntu. System Monitor gives strangely inflated values for the memory used.

System Monitor gives interesting graphs for the data transferred and CPU usage when I web browse. CPU utilisation usually does not go over 50%. The hump for CPU usage is usually only a little wider than the hump for data transfer. That seems to confirm my subjective impression that the i5 on my Windows machine does not significantly speed the loading of web pages.

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Re: Memory Usage of Ubuntu Flavours

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Postby GeoffF100 » March 30th, 2020, 8:37 pm

It would have been better to use free -h which is available for all the distros in the link above. That should give the correct value for all of them.

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Re: Memory Usage of Ubuntu Flavours

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Postby JohnB » March 30th, 2020, 11:03 pm

I reboot once in a Blue Moon, its Linux after all. X locks up every 3-4 months, so it gets a reboot them if I can't face fiddling with init levels and startx

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Re: Memory Usage of Ubuntu Flavours

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Postby Infrasonic » March 31st, 2020, 12:13 pm

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... inux&num=1
We are used to seeing tier-one Linux distributions outperforming Microsoft Windows on hardware ranging from $199 laptops to HEDT and server processors and everything in between. Thus it came as a large surprise to us when finding Windows 10 outperforming multiple Linux distributions on a new Intel laptop. Not only was Windows 10 leading, but the performance paradigm shifted that Ubuntu was even outperforming Clear Linux, which normally is the fastest of Linux distributions out-of-the-box.
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Re: Memory Usage of Ubuntu Flavours

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Postby GeoffF100 » March 31st, 2020, 8:44 pm

Infrasonic wrote:https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=windows10-beat-linux&num=1
We are used to seeing tier-one Linux distributions outperforming Microsoft Windows on hardware ranging from $199 laptops to HEDT and server processors and everything in between. Thus it came as a large surprise to us when finding Windows 10 outperforming multiple Linux distributions on a new Intel laptop. Not only was Windows 10 leading, but the performance paradigm shifted that Ubuntu was even outperforming Clear Linux, which normally is the fastest of Linux distributions out-of-the-box.
Cont.

From that link:

This HP ZBook 17 G6 configuration testes has a retail price of just above $5000 USD.

It would have to be the dog's testes for that money!

The overall differences between the geometric means of the benchmarks for the various OS's are tiny, and surely insignificant for a workstation.


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