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Re: Why Linux?

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Postby formoverfunction » September 15th, 2020, 9:10 am

I've found it interesting your discussions about other distro's. I've been using Linux (and BSD) over a decade and besides a slight flirtation with Yellow Dog back in the day I've always used Debian, straight out of the tin Debian, as my daily drive.
- I do have a Puppy somewhere out there for emergency situations and my "travels".
I sort of like that it hardy ever changes.
I also have Raspian/Raspberry Pi running on my Pi's, but hey I use them mostly in cli.
Maybe when I'm not using Debian I have a hankering for a 4 legged friend! LOL
I had need to work with some old files yesterday and booted up my oldest computer and felt the embrace of an old friend....BeOS.
Any Be users out there? Mine's still running OK on my Power Macintosh 9600

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Re: Why Linux?

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Postby ten0rman » September 15th, 2020, 11:08 am

Geoff100,
I can understand that Canonical wishes to reduce its workload, but my understanding is that by doing so, Canonical is, nay already has, opened the door to preventing, or at least making it very difficult, for users like me to have a non-standard OS, eg as I've already said, DOSemu is no longer available via Package Manager. Now I do understand that the original DOSemu is abandonware and that no-one is maintaining it. Equally, the DOS program I'm running (Masterfile Professional (MPRO)) is also no longer supported, indeed I fancy I may be one of the few people actually running it as even the last attempt at a MPRO forum has gone dead. So, yes, there is an argument about should DOSemu be available via Package Manager? But, my impression, my understanding, of Linux is that one of its principles is that it is possible for users to have their own individual version of an OS. Which is why I want to use DOSemu & MPRO, and don't like the implication that Canonical is introducing. Indeed, taken to its extreme, I may as well go back to Windows (horror, shock, multipludinous howls of dismay!).

In respect of DOSemu2, I note that the driving force appears to be a desire to use WordPerfect (WP). Now I've never used WP so cannot say if it is any better than any other word processor, but at least someone is attempting to keep the ability to use DOS alive.

Back now to the Timeshift problem.

I have successfully deleted the Timeshift folder and its sub-folders and although I haven't yet tested it fully to see if any other damage has occurred, I'm moving on. What I did was this: My system has normally 20GB for the root partition, 2GB for the Swap file, and the remainder, about 120GB for the home folder or partition of which only about 60GB was in use. I used GParted to create 15GB spare at the beginning of the home folder, this requiring the movement of 60GB of data, then move the spare 15GB into the root partition after which I was able to get into the root partition using SUDO and delete the Timeshift folder. After that, it was a simple, if time consuming, matter to reverse the process. Perhaps not a procedure for widows & orphans - unless like me you have an experimental machine on which doesn't matter if things go pearshaped.

Incidently, ealier I said I tried to use SUID. There is, of course, no such command on my system: I meant SUDO.

Onwards & Upwards, as the saying goes.

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Re: Why Linux?

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Postby GeoffF100 » September 15th, 2020, 1:38 pm

ten0rman wrote:Geoff100,
I can understand that Canonical wishes to reduce its workload, but my understanding is that by doing so, Canonical is, nay already has, opened the door to preventing, or at least making it very difficult, for users like me to have a non-standard OS, eg as I've already said, DOSemu is no longer available via Package Manager. Now I do understand that the original DOSemu is abandonware and that no-one is maintaining it. Equally, the DOS program I'm running (Masterfile Professional (MPRO)) is also no longer supported, indeed I fancy I may be one of the few people actually running it as even the last attempt at a MPRO forum has gone dead. So, yes, there is an argument about should DOSemu be available via Package Manager? But, my impression, my understanding, of Linux is that one of its principles is that it is possible for users to have their own individual version of an OS. Which is why I want to use DOSemu & MPRO, and don't like the implication that Canonical is introducing. Indeed, taken to its extreme, I may as well go back to Windows (horror, shock, multipludinous howls of dismay!).

As far as I can tell DOSemu is not available as snap either. As I have said, you may be able to install it from a .deb file. As you have said, the package is on its last legs anyway. You do not have to use Ubuntu, or one of its official flavours. You can use MInt, which is going its own way with regard to snaps, and has version derived directly from Debian. (The Debian project is a shambles according to Late Night Linux.) You can use a distro that is not derived from Ubuntu. Manjaro perhaps.

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Re: Why Linux?

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Postby formoverfunction » October 11th, 2020, 9:27 am

System76?

I'm thinking of updating my hardware next year, my Macbook Pro would have reached 10 and I'm starting to worry about furure support etc. Although, it's still not giving me any issues and the small niggles I've had, have been dealt with via iFixit.

So, my plan:
I need a Mac os some kind as I still want to use iTunes (iTunes Match), but to be to fair I'm reaching the 25,000 max tracks, so I'm happy to switch to a Mac Mini - I've also been using Mac Os since the 9600 days. Moving away would be hard.
Replace my steam driven iPhone. I use mine more than anyone I know, but I've also got the olderst one!!
And this is the bit I'm a bit nervous about, replace years of using MacbookPro's/ PowerBooks with System76 Lemur Pro.

Any experience of using/buying System76 kit from the UK?

I guess the alternative might be to keep the MacBook, swap the DVD drive out and run it with 2 ssd and dual boot. I suppose that might be a cheaper option and make use of hardware that's not causing me any issue and just update the iPhone. Chance it out for longer. I could live in Linux/cli 90% of the time, but I've never really enjoyed managing my large music collection via iPhone/iPad, playing it is OK, mananging, not so much. I like iTunes/Match and have been using it since it's start and before that SoundJam. I haven't checked, but I'm guessing all those mp3 files would be north of of 100g without match. I do have them backed up on external drives.

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Re: Why Linux?

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Postby Infrasonic » October 11th, 2020, 10:13 am

formoverfunction wrote:I guess the alternative might be to keep the MacBook, swap the DVD drive out and run it with 2 ssd and dual boot. I suppose that might be a cheaper option and make use of hardware that's not causing me any issue and just update the iPhone. Chance it out for longer. I could live in Linux/cli 90% of the time, but I've never really enjoyed managing my large music collection via iPhone/iPad, playing it is OK, mananging, not so much. I like iTunes/Match and have been using it since it's start and before that SoundJam. I haven't checked, but I'm guessing all those mp3 files would be north of of 100g without match. I do have them backed up on external drives.


Or buy a new Macbook Pro (and iPhone) and run Linux in a Virtual Machine? VM's are very handy, once you get used to them they are a bit addictive.
I think one of the reasons Macbook Pro's have been so popular with developers over the years is the multi OS VM aspect.

I'm running Linux in a container (skinny VM) on my Chrome OS Chromebook (it also has an Android container) and I'm now spending way more time on that combination than my W10 desktop, having been a Windows and occasional Linux (VM + live USB) person for years.

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Re: Why Linux?

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Postby formoverfunction » October 11th, 2020, 10:42 am

I do alreay, I'm running Debian via SSH (X forwarding) and Pop! in VM from the Pro.

What I don't like about new MacBooks is inability to upgrade over it's life time. That's what just putting me off buying a new one, or waiting until the new ones come out.

You're right, in the past, it was the ability to run multiple OS that made Mac Pro's very good. Alongside the ability to ugrade RAM and HDD. Apple seem to dislike that more and more. System 76 appear, on the face of, support the concept of owned upgrade. I'm supportive of that, I don't want to replace a machine, just because I find I need more RAM after a few years. I believe the Lemur Pro supports a lot of RAM.

This one, as I say, allows me to use Debian (via SSH), OSX native, mac OS 8.8 via SheepSaver, Pop! OS via WM and when I bought it I bought the base model with the processor I wanted an upgraded RAM and hard drive as I needed it.

- I use SheepShaver to play the occasional game of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oDIG4RRcLM I still have the original version going and the original Shadow Warrior for Mac. LOL Apple removed native support of 8.6/9 a few years ago.

Happy were the days of BeOs, Yellow Dog and 8.6 on the same platform with ease! LOL

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Re: Why Linux?

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Postby Infrasonic » October 11th, 2020, 10:53 am

Yes, hardware upgradeability is an issue, not just with Macbook Pro's, it's general industry issue with the trend towards 'thin and light' with soldered components.

I'm not keen on it either for a serious laptop, I've been keeping tabs on factory return/refurb lightweight workstation/gaming level laptops for awhile now as they seem to be the only classes that have retained full upgrade paths.

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Re: Why Linux?

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Postby ReallyVeryFoolish » October 11th, 2020, 11:00 am

FWIW, my daughter has a Mac Book Pro I guess now about ten years old. It was a very good spec when she bought it, with a view to longevity. The strategy worked. About two years ago I fitted a Crucial SSD in place of the HDD. The MBP instantly got a new lease of life and is still in regular use. The SSD was simple to fit, cloning the HDD to it. There's lots of articles on line about how to do it. Given the low cost today of an SSD, it's a great upgrade when the rest of the hardware is still fine.

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Re: Why Linux?

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Postby Infrasonic » October 11th, 2020, 3:13 pm

ReallyVeryFoolish wrote:FWIW, my daughter has a Mac Book Pro I guess now about ten years old. It was a very good spec when she bought it, with a view to longevity. The strategy worked. About two years ago I fitted a Crucial SSD in place of the HDD. The MBP instantly got a new lease of life and is still in regular use. The SSD was simple to fit, cloning the HDD to it. There's lots of articles on line about how to do it. Given the low cost today of an SSD, it's a great upgrade when the rest of the hardware is still fine.

RVF


What's the situation with Mac OS + app. updates with hardware that old? I look after some W10 PC's that are 10+ years old, but in the past I remember being forced to replace my old single core AMD XP PC when it stopped upgrading Chrome browser due to hardware (CPU/chipset presumably) issues.

I'm on the latest W10, Linux (kernel) versions, Android 11 on my phone.
Quite a few security and other updates in those that I wouldn't want to be without in the current ransomware/malware/boot kit et al www wild west environment.

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Re: Why Linux?

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Postby ReallyVeryFoolish » October 11th, 2020, 5:33 pm

Infrasonic wrote:
ReallyVeryFoolish wrote:FWIW, my daughter has a Mac Book Pro I guess now about ten years old. It was a very good spec when she bought it, with a view to longevity. The strategy worked. About two years ago I fitted a Crucial SSD in place of the HDD. The MBP instantly got a new lease of life and is still in regular use. The SSD was simple to fit, cloning the HDD to it. There's lots of articles on line about how to do it. Given the low cost today of an SSD, it's a great upgrade when the rest of the hardware is still fine.

RVF


What's the situation with Mac OS + app. updates with hardware that old? I look after some W10 PC's that are 10+ years old, but in the past I remember being forced to replace my old single core AMD XP PC when it stopped upgrading Chrome browser due to hardware (CPU/chipset presumably) issues.

I'm on the latest W10, Linux (kernel) versions, Android 11 on my phone.
Quite a few security and other updates in those that I wouldn't want to be without in the current ransomware/malware/boot kit et al www wild west environment.

Good question. When I cloned the HDD to the SSD, I was able to update the OS just prior to cloning. However two years or so later, I will have to ask my daughter, sorry.

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Re: Why Linux?

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Postby formoverfunction » October 11th, 2020, 6:29 pm

Infrasonic wrote:
ReallyVeryFoolish wrote:FWIW, my daughter has a Mac Book Pro I guess now about ten years old. It was a very good spec when she bought it, with a view to longevity. The strategy worked. About two years ago I fitted a Crucial SSD in place of the HDD. The MBP instantly got a new lease of life and is still in regular use. The SSD was simple to fit, cloning the HDD to it. There's lots of articles on line about how to do it. Given the low cost today of an SSD, it's a great upgrade when the rest of the hardware is still fine.

RVF


What's the situation with Mac OS + app. updates with hardware that old? I look after some W10 PC's that are 10+ years old, but in the past I remember being forced to replace my old single core AMD XP PC when it stopped upgrading Chrome browser due to hardware (CPU/chipset presumably) issues.

I'm on the latest W10, Linux (kernel) versions, Android 11 on my phone.
Quite a few security and other updates in those that I wouldn't want to be without in the current ransomware/malware/boot kit et al www wild west environment.


"What's the situation with Mac OS + app. updates with hardware that old? "

You can't load the most recent version of the OS, but they are still providing support and security updates. I've replaced the HDD, with SSD sometime ago. The general expectation is that Apple will keep providing security patches for at least another 2 years. If fact they did one yesterday, so far there's been nothing problematic about it being older kit. It's just you know when they reach 13, you are entering the difficult years...LOL

There are work arounds for installing the lastest version of the OS on anything back to the 2011 machines, but Apple try to discourage it.

There are some simple issues with old MacBooks. The power cable from the the motherboard to SSD gets damaged from the tiny irregularites on the inside of the aluminuim body. It's a know issue with age, but the cable is very easy to replace and is around £40, over time the screen hinges wear and need adjusting. Fiddley job, but in most cases that's all you need to do rather than replace them.

After you've swapped to SSD and maxed the RAM the last drops of life can be extended by replacing the DVD with SDD/caddy and running the machine with 2 drives. Keeping OSX on one drive and using the 2nd SSD (DVD caddy replacement) with Linux. Depending on SSD cost is just over £120. People do, because they are resilient machines.

Simple strategy, if the vendor stops providing updates, Linux might just get you a few more years. I could go out and buy a new one, but I'm just not that keen on the new models.

Hence my interest in System 76, in theory similar to Apple, OS designed with kit in mind, but they also allow an element of owner modification.

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Re: Why Linux?

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Postby Infrasonic » October 12th, 2020, 1:11 pm

formoverfunction wrote:Hence my interest in System 76, in theory similar to Apple, OS designed with kit in mind, but they also allow an element of owner modification.


Yeah I linked to a System 76 review on here back in 2016. They alway appear in the 'best native Linux laptops' group reviews, but they are a bit chunky, large chassis/ bezels etc.

I've spent some time investigating https://doc.coreboot.org/ since I got my Chromebook, as it runs a Google fork.

I think some of the Linux boot and operational quirks can be traced to poor UEFI/ACPI implementation issues by the lazier OEM's (the technical documentation runs to thousands of pages).
https://www.uefi.org/specifications

This site is good for Linux hardware reviews and sniffing out why certain issues crop up.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=home

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Re: Why Linux?

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Postby Infrasonic » October 16th, 2020, 1:27 pm

https://www.msweet.org/about.html
This site is the combined home of various projects created or maintained by me, Michael R Sweet. I am probably best known as the creator of CUPS, the de-facto standard printing system for Linux®, macOS®, and UNIX®. I have written several books and started, contributed to, and developed a lot of open source projects over the years. I was also involved in the creation of the Internet Printing Protocol, AirPrint™, IPP Everywhere™, IPP 3D, IPP-USB, Wi-Fi Direct Print Services, and many other printing standards.

I currently run a business with my wife called Lakeside Robotics developing AI for games and educational robotics products such as LEGO Mindstorms®. I am also the secretary of the PWG Internet Printing Protocol workgroup and one of two IETF designated experts for printing.

Prior to Lakeside Robotics I worked for Apple Inc. for almost 13 years developing printing software and standards on their behalf and serving as the PWG Chair for about half of that time. Apple was a great company to work for and I'm grateful for my time there...
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Re: Why Linux?

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Postby Infrasonic » October 20th, 2020, 2:09 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXidc8z ... oXw817%3A6
This is my list of Top 5 Raspberry pi projects I did for 2020! hope you enjoy and thanks for the view!

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Raspberry pi 4 azm ► https://amzn.to/35e2rqv

DeskPi Pro ► https://deskpi.com/

Esxi On Raspberry Pi ► https://youtu.be/f1e9SNnbU2c

Windows 10 on Rpi ► https://youtu.be/8j8CEMk-gYQ

Quad Sata NAS ► https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eix0P...

USB over Network ► https://youtu.be/gBCNLs_5pwM

Virtual HERE ► https://youtu.be/YsHzJHykxNA

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Re: Why Linux?

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Postby Infrasonic » October 20th, 2020, 4:53 pm

https://www.cnx-software.com/2020/10/20 ... ta-drives/
ODROID-HC4 low-cost dual NAS comes with 4GB RAM, supports 2.5-inch and 3.5-inch SATA drives
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Re: Why Linux?

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Postby Infrasonic » October 20th, 2020, 10:26 pm

https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/10/mic ... first-look
...Being the impatient sort we installed the Microsoft Edge Developer build on Ubuntu 20.10. This post will stop short of being a “review” per se (you’ll hear throughout this post: this is not a stable build) but I’ve included lots of screenshots and some general thoughts about how well the browser integrates with the default Ubuntu desktops...
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