Dulux Paint (again?)

[Dod101]

I am in the process of repainting my main bathroom and am using Dulux on the walls. I have never found any paint so difficult to apply except water based gloss. In fact come to think of it that is about the nearest I can get to to describe it. Is it me or have others got the same experience? If so, what is the alternative? Have used F & B but it costs the earth. I found it easy to apply and it has a wonderful depth of colour.

Dod

[richlist]

Water based gloss ?
Do you mean vinyl silk emulsion ?

You should be using an emulsion on walls. Dulux sell a product specifically for use in bathrooms, best applied by roller.

[MaraMan]

During lockdown I redecorated most of the house and experimented with several different makes of paint and found Dulux to be the best.
Maybe you have got a wrong'un there Dod?

MM

[AF62]

I just finished decorating a room and used Dulux Trade Flat Matt mixed to the colours I wanted on the walls - very easy to apply and both coverage and finish were absolutely superb. As it is a trade paint it isn’t available everywhere, but Homebase stock it.

For the ceiling I used Leyland Trade Smart Brilliant White Flat Matt Emulsion. Again very easy to apply, without the ‘roller strokes’ that are all to easy to get on ceilings, and far better than previous emulsion I have used on ceilings.

Just to add, Dulux have a ‘don’t like it - have a voucher’ guarantee, where if you don’t like the finish or the colour then they will give you a voucher for a different can of paint. I have used it in the past when I didn’t like the colour after putting it on one wall, and they happily met their guarantee offer - https://www.dulux.co.uk/en/dulux-promise

[Maroochydore]

Water based gloss ?
Do you mean vinyl silk emulsion ?

I'm sure OP means water based gloss. I bought some Dulux top coat in white. Brushes washout in water. Can said in the small print that it was water-based but if I wanted a longer period before yellowing I should use an oil based gloss.

Not very useful info as I'd already started the can.

[quelquod]

During lockdown I redecorated most of the house and experimented with several different makes of paint and found Dulux to be the best.
Maybe you have got a wrong'un there Dod?

MM

I’ve found that the normal DIY shed Dulux vinyl is amongst the worst for roller application. Although it appears fairly thick there’s a large amount of spray from the roller which some others don’t have nearly as much. IMHO Dulux vinyl is pretty short on pigment too, very poor covering power. You don’t find many professionals using Dulux.

[Dod101]

Well I meant to say if I did not that I am using water based emulsion for Bathrooms. I found it quite difficult to apply but in fact looking at it now (several hours later) it is fine. Maybe however, in the morning.........

If I used a roller it seemed fine but using a brush, for example in awkward corners, it really upset what the brush had done (if you see what I mean)

Amongst professionals Valspar seems to be the choice.

Dod

[AF62]

I’ve found that the normal DIY shed Dulux vinyl is amongst the worst for roller application. Although it appears fairly thick there’s a large amount of spray from the roller which some others don’t have nearly as much. IMHO Dulux vinyl is pretty short on pigment too, very poor covering power. You don’t find many professionals using Dulux.

As before, try Dulux Trade emulsion - virtually no spray from the roller and good covering power.

Was more expensive than the domestic use paint, but was still included in the recent Homebase ‘three for the price of two’ offer and the better coverage and faster application makes up for the price difference.

[Dod101]

Dulux Trade may be worth trying. I bought from my local hardware store and the shopkeeper has one of these mixing machines which will in theory anyway produce any colour you want. I did not want to drive 20 miles or so to B & Q or wherever. I would not sadly buy from her again.

Dod

[kempiejon]

I’ve found that the normal DIY shed Dulux vinyl is amongst the worst for roller application. Although it appears fairly thick there’s a large amount of spray from the roller which some others don’t have nearly as much. IMHO Dulux vinyl is pretty short on pigment too, very poor covering power. You don’t find many professionals using Dulux.

As before, try Dulux Trade emulsion - virtually no spray from the roller and good covering power.

Was more expensive than the domestic use paint, but was still included in the recent Homebase ‘three for the price of two’ offer and the better coverage and faster application makes up for the price difference.

Another nod for trade paints. More expensive but much better coverage and opacity. I tried Leyland and prefer Dulux.

[AF62]

Dulux Trade may be worth trying. I bought from my local hardware store and the shopkeeper has one of these mixing machines which will in theory anyway produce any colour you want. I did not want to drive 20 miles or so to B & Q or wherever. I would not sadly buy from her again.

Dod

I tried to buy the Dulux Trade from my local hardware store that also has the paint mixing machine (all that is different is they need the base trade paint to which to add the tint) but was told they were not permitted by Dulux to sell Dulux Trade as they were a retail store and not a 'trade' store.

The local specialist trade store which did stock it charges stupid prices because it is all based on their business customers getting discounts but being able to present an overpriced invoice to their customers for the materials that they have done decorating for.

Understandably they got a bit huffy when I mentioned that Homebase stocked Dulux Trade.

[Dod101]

Dulux Trade may be worth trying. I bought from my local hardware store and the shopkeeper has one of these mixing machines which will in theory anyway produce any colour you want. I did not want to drive 20 miles or so to B & Q or wherever. I would not sadly buy from her again.

Dod

I tried to buy the Dulux Trade from my local hardware store that also has the paint mixing machine (all that is different is they need the base trade paint to which to add the tint) but was told they were not permitted by Dulux to sell Dulux Trade as they were a retail store and not a 'trade' store.

The local specialist trade store which did stock it charges stupid prices because it is all based on their business customers getting discounts but being able to present an overpriced invoice to their customers for the materials that they have done decorating for.

Understandably they got a bit huffy when I mentioned that Homebase stocked Dulux Trade.

That is very interesting. In my nearest town there is a paint store that deals mostly with trade customers. All the painters and decorator for miles around go there. They do sell to retail customers and are very helpful to me, and the prices are very reasonable. I will go there in future. Thanks for all the advice.

Dod

[AF62]

That is very interesting. In my nearest town there is a paint store that deals mostly with trade customers. All the painters and decorator for miles around go there. They do sell to retail customers and are very helpful to me, and the prices are very reasonable. I will go there in future. Thanks for all the advice.

Dod

The trade store near me was very expensive in comparison to Homebase - £42 for 2.5l compared to £21 in Homebase and Homebase had a 3 for 2 offer, so £126 at the trade store for three cans or £42 in Homebase for the same three cans of Dulux Trade paint.

[pompeygazza]

Can I ask what colour you are applying?

[mc2fool]

Water based gloss ?
Do you mean vinyl silk emulsion ?

I'm sure OP means water based gloss. I bought some Dulux top coat in white. Brushes washout in water. Can said in the small print that it was water-based but if I wanted a longer period before yellowing I should use an oil based gloss.

Not very useful info as I'd already started the can.

Uh? But it's the other way round, it's oil based paints that yellow (even more so since the formulae were changed to fit EU rules on VOCs). It's water based ones that don't.

I painted all my wood trim (skirting, coving, door frames, etc) with a brilliant white gloss oil paint (don't remember the brand) a couple of decades back and within a few years it had all turned magnolia. So next time round I decided to use a water based paint. I had to strip down and prime and then applied Dulux Diamond Max, which was a real pain, dragged despite adding Floetrol (was worse without!). Horrible consistency but ten years on it's all still as white as the day after I painted, so I'm well happy with the end result.

I had to do another couple of bits a couple of years ago and found they Dulux had withdrawn that paint (there were lots of complaints about its handling) and I used (I think) the Dulux Quick Dry water based gloss instead, which handled much much better and seems to do just as well.

Anyway, all a bit OT for bathroom walls ...

[Maroochydore]

The trade store near me was very expensive in comparison to Homebase - £42 for 2.5l compared to £21 in Homebase and Homebase had a 3 for 2 offer, so £126 at the trade store for three cans or £42 in Homebase for the same three cans of Dulux Trade paint.

Trade stores generally are more expensive with shelf prices (like Travis Perkins etc) however they give very large trade discounts to bona-fide registered tradies.

[AF62]

The trade store near me was very expensive in comparison to Homebase - £42 for 2.5l compared to £21 in Homebase and Homebase had a 3 for 2 offer, so £126 at the trade store for three cans or £42 in Homebase for the same three cans of Dulux Trade paint.

Trade stores generally are more expensive with shelf prices (like Travis Perkins etc) however they give very large trade discounts to bona-fide registered tradies.

But that is just a game to con the end customer who is having their house decorated - the trade supplier chargers a high price so the trade customer can show their customer the invoices to justify the materials cost on their invoice, and then the trade customer gets the discount at the end of the month which the customer never sees.

If the trade suppliers charged the real price of the paint or other materials then their trade customers couldn't make this undisclosed profit.

[Avantegarde]

I will repeat something I said before. A friend is a professional painter and decorator (and good at it too) and he regards Dulux paint as his benchmark. Why? Because, as he points out, Dulux has been in business making paint for many decades, spending money on research and development, and producing paint which, he says, has good coverage and which is sold at reasonable prices. My friend likes posh paints such as Farrow & Ball and Little Greene. They have good coverage with a nice range of colours but are more expensive.

[csearle]

My friend likes posh paints such as Farrow & Ball and Little Greene. They have good coverage with a nice range of colours but are more expensive.

I have heard painters on various sites be quite scathing of Farrow & Ball. They have claimed that once on the surfaces are somewhat more sensitive to abrasion than others. I have no idea whether this is true but over the years it seems to be a recurring theme. They seem to use it at the client's insistence. C.