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NTEA

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Re: NTEA

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Postby OldBoyReturns » February 12th, 2024, 12:45 pm

Jwdool wrote:What was the market price of the Tate & Lyle when they were cancelled? Were holders compensated?


Here you go:

https://www.tateandlyle.com/sites/defau ... eeting.pdf

Resolution 22 on page 6 plus Explanatory Note on page 7. Coupon was 6.5% and return of capital was at nominal value plus payment for accrued dividend with no additional compensation as far as I can see.

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Re: NTEA

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Postby 88V8 » February 12th, 2024, 3:12 pm

OldBoyReturns wrote:
Jwdool wrote:What was the market price of the Tate & Lyle when they were cancelled? Were holders compensated?

...no additional compensation as far as I can see.

No.

Looks as if they were trading around ten points above par pre-announcement.
Probably few holders and not worthwhile for them to make a fuss.
As you say, it does illustrate that the possibility is not totally off the table.

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Re: NTEA

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Postby NealMorris » February 12th, 2024, 7:07 pm

So NTEA, another dodgy one then

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Re: NTEA

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Postby hostye » February 13th, 2024, 2:32 pm

NealMorris wrote:So NTEA, another dodgy one then



Only dodgy if you fail to read or understand the documentation!
I would think the repayment at par clause was originally inserted to give investors comfort they would likely get their money back if the licence was lost (essentially a back stop bid).

I suspect any attempt to re-nationalise would entail some degree of fairness towards owners/shareholders etc and I can't see Berkshire Hathaway rolling over too easily to accept a below market value offer from the UK Government. They will want at least fair market value. Could get messy but I reckon I know who has the better lawyers!
Looking back at some old notes Berkshire Hathaway owned 69% of the pref and 92% of the equity (possibly this could have changed but unlikely by any significant amount).

At current prices the market is pricing in this uncertainty/risk in my opinion.

Also worth reading Ofgem's terms of revoking licences here
https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/publications/e ... conditions.

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Re: NTEA

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Postby Swanmore22 » March 6th, 2024, 11:35 am

Tks all for posts

I have bought a few NTEA recently
Ok with the "risks" of licence revocation and renationalisation.
OK with BERK as co shareholder.

The pref"s were issued to ordinary shareholders as a sweetner to prevent a take over by Trafalgar House in 1995.
I assume the 69% parent holding was acquired post issue by the brokers.
Is there any benefit to BERK / BHE keeping the prefs alive ?
Could it be tax treatment of dividends ?
Not sure, but if they wanted to tender then the current price would be an attraction.

"Bonus issue
The other component of the immediate shareholder package is a bonus issue of one preference share per ordinary share held.
Each preference share will have a nominal value of 1p paid up out of the company's share premium account (one of the few uses to which this reserve can be put (section 130(2), Companies Act1985)).
The preference shares will be listed on the London StockExchange and the rate of interest has been calculated to give the man intended value of £1 on issue. BZW and Schroders(Northern's brokers and financial advisers respectively) have made a cash offer to purchase the preference shares at or above this price on issue.
The main advantage of the bonus issue is that shareholders receive securities worth a further £1 per share without any immediate reduction of the company's cash reserves. No tax will be payable on issue because it will be treated as a reorganisation of share capital. But shareholders may be liable to capital gains taxon any subsequent disposal."

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Re: NTEA

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Postby Jwdool » March 6th, 2024, 12:19 pm

The FCA were worried about market abuse/ disruption. It seems T&L were pretty close to par - so the cancellation wasn't going to cause too much fuss. I don't believe NTEA would be in quite the same situation if they were trading ~15-18% above par and called. Although they may technically be allowed, as far as I understand things, it would still need to be voted through. The majority holder of the NTEA prefs is unlikely to consent (Buffett) given the underlying ownership structure. I'd say these were pretty safe, but recognise the tail risk.

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Re: NTEA

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Postby Swanmore22 » March 10th, 2024, 1:14 am

Tks Jwdool

These should be around for sometime.
I buy income with the intent to hold for a long time, possibly to pass on.

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