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Is it a Ponzi

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Is it a Ponzi

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Postby G3lc » November 11th, 2021, 9:37 am

Is an investment trust that relies on its share price going up to reward its shareholders a form of Ponzi scheme?

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Re: Is it a Ponzi

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Postby Midsmartin » November 11th, 2021, 10:08 am

An investment trust is no different from any other listed company. It hopes that future profits will increase its share price.

The only sense it's a ponzi is that profits to some degree come from consuming finite natural resources and damaging our own habitat in a way that sooner or later is literally not sustainable

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Re: Is it a Ponzi

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Postby bungeejumper » November 11th, 2021, 10:09 am

I don't see it that way, because it's also capable of losing value (perhaps quickly) without crashing catastrophically. The assets are still assets, after all. ;) And the assumption that there's always a greater fool isn't inherent in the trust's selling proposition, although I suppose it might be prevalent among some of the investors? More fool them.

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Re: Is it a Ponzi

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Postby pje16 » November 11th, 2021, 10:14 am

A ponzi scheme typically take money from new investors (who are not entitled to payouts at first) to pay out to existing customers
so no it isn't

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Re: Is it a Ponzi

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Postby DavidM13 » November 11th, 2021, 10:20 am

A ponzi scheme is likely to get uncovered after 153 years of track record.

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Re: Is it a Ponzi

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Postby UncleEbenezer » November 11th, 2021, 12:43 pm

DavidM13 wrote:A ponzi scheme is likely to get uncovered after 153 years of track record.


Are you sure? Building societies have been around longer than that, and still today credit expands - though it's long past the point where it was working without heavy government support for ever-rising prices.


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