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Spiderbill's yearly review Jan 2023

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Spiderbill's yearly review Jan 2023

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Postby spiderbill » January 16th, 2023, 2:17 pm

Jan 2022 report can be found here –
https://www.lemonfool.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=32966&p=473928#p473928

Includes ITs, ETFs, and OEICs in addition to the mostly Hyp-ish shares portfolio.

Individual Shares
It's been an “interesting” year. Some recovery from Covid – no not you UK. The Russian invasion of Ukraine with attendant energy crisis. Tech share downturn. The disastrous Truss/Kwarteng mini-budget added to continued Brexit trade recession. On a personal level I had an unexpected health issue.

After all these gyrations my share portfolio size is now just £500 above a year ago, but after taking into account the new purchases and the Aviva return of capital that's a loss of around £4,500. Considering where we were at some points in the year it could be a lot worse.

New Shares Bought
A small initial purchase of City of London Inv Grp (CLIG), which like many financials had a bad summer but has now recovered a bit.

Shares Topped up
Greencoat UK Wind (twice) – both on temporary weakness (not often I manage to time those buys correctly.) Now doing well
Rio Tinto – again on a temporary weakness from which it’s now added 10 quid on the share price. Rio is definitely one of my successes, with both good capital gains and high dividends.
Vistry – not such good timing on this one as the autumn financial shambles and housing recession sent it tumbling.
Legal and General – bought in May on what looked like a recovery but Kwarteng put paid to that and it’s only now getting back to level. However it’s a long-term hold for me so happy to add more at this level.
Imperial Brands – Bought on the Ukraine downturn at about 16 quid and has recovered nicely. Overall I’m still well down on my historic purchases so it’s nice to be able to lower the average purchases price and get a good yield point as well.
Pan African Resources – my gold miner. Have held this for a long time and overall it’s done well for me. Had some dividends accumulate in my old HSBC account and that was the best one to top up (I’m not adding any new companies to that account) On production, profit and debt reduction figures it really should be much higher priced but the political situation in South Africa seems to depress the price.

I of course also acquired Haleon from the GSK split. Not sure I want to keep it but it plunged from the launch and is only just recovering a bit now. Doesn’t look likely to produce much yield but I’ll give it a year and see.

Shares sold
Nothing this year

Holdings now
As always - I regard SLF as a special case, so please no advice about too much insurance.

                                                                                 Value     Div    Fcst 
Share Epic Sector %Total %Total Yield

Sun Life Financial Inc. SLF Life Insurance 13.57% 8.47% 3.60%
Legal and General Group LGEN Life Insurance 8.99% 11.85% 7.60%
Rio Tinto RIO Mining. 6.93% 10.10% 8.40%
Shell SHEL Oil & Gas Producers 6.65% 4.27% 3.70%
National Grid NG Multiutilities. 6.31% 5.47% 5.00%
Aviva AV Life Insurance 4.71% 6.04% 7.40%
BAE Systems BA Aerospace & Defence 4.52% 2.59% 3.30%
Pan African Resources PAF Gold Mining 4.42% 4.14% 5.40%
GlaxoSmithKline GSK Pharmaceuticals & Biotechnology 4.37% 3.18% 4.20%
Greencoat UK Wind UKW IT - Renewable Energy Infrastructure 4.20% 3.43% 4.70%
Imperial Brands IMB Tobacco 4.00% 4.65% 6.70%
Regional REIT Limited RGL IT - Property - UK Commercial 3.77% 7.13% 10.90%
HSBC Holdings HSBA Banks 3.66% 3.37% 5.30%
Taylor Wimpey TW Household Goods & Home Construction 2.75% 4.30% 9.00%
Polar Capital Holdings POLR General Financial 2.59% 4.08% 9.10%
Schroders SDR Financial Services 2.46% 2.00% 4.70%
Lloyds Banking Group LLOY Banks 2.14% 1.93% 5.20%
British Land Company BLND Retail REITs 1.98% 1.89% 5.50%
SSE SSE Electricity 1.61% 1.40% 5.00%
Chesnara CSN Life Insurance 1.32% 1.84% 8.00%
Haleon HLN Consumer Healthcare 1.12% 0.39% 2.00%
Vistry Group VTY Household Goods & Home Construction 1.04% 2.02% 11.20%
Vodafone Group VOD Mobile Telecommunications 0.91% 1.34% 8.50%
Ediston Property Investment Co EPIC IT - Property - UK Commercial 0.89% 1.07% 6.90%
Berkeley Group Holdings (The) BKG Household Goods & Home Construction 0.89% 0.09% 0.60%
Unilever ULVR Food Producers 0.78% 0.50% 3.70%
City of London Investment Grou CLIG Financial Administration 0.64% 0.86% 7.70%
Moneysupermarket.com Group MONY Media. 0.55% 0.58% 6.10%
MPAC MPAC Engineering 0.46% 0.00% 0.00%
Marston's MARS Travel & Leisure 0.36% 0.00% 0.00%
Petrofac Ltd. PFC "Oil Equipment, Services & Distribution" 0.36% 0.00% 0.00%
Cairn Energy CNE Oil & Gas Producers 0.26% 0.69% 15.00%
- - - Minnows - - -
Galliford Try GFRD Construction & Materials 0.22% 0.19% 5.00%
Greencore Group GNC Food Producers 0.17% 0.02% 0.80%
Essentra ESNT Support Services 0.16% 0.06% 2.20%
Centrica CNA "Gas, Water & Multiutilities" 0.11% 0.06% 3.20%
Majestic Wine WINE Retailers 0.09% 0.00% 0.00%
Hyve Group HYVE Media 0.02% 0.00% 0.00%



Value Div
Sector %Total %Total

Life Insurance 28.59% 28.20%
Aerospace & Defence 4.52% 2.59%
Household Goods & Home Construction 4.68% 6.41%
Retail REITs 1.98% 1.89%
Oil & Gas Producers 6.91% 4.95%
"Gas, Water & Multiutilities" 0.11% 0.06%
Financial Administration 0.64% 0.86%
IT - Property - UK Commercial 4.66% 8.20%
Support Services 0.16% 0.06%
Construction & Materials 0.22% 0.19%
Pharmaceuticals & Biotechnology 4.37% 3.18%
IT - Renewable Energy Infrastructure 4.20% 3.43%
Food Producers 0.95% 0.53%
Consumer Healthcare 1.12% 0.39%
Banks 5.80% 5.29%
Tobacco 4.00% 4.65%
Media 0.02% 0.00%
Retailers 0.09% 0.00%
Travel & Leisure 0.36% 0.00%
Engineering 0.46% 0.00%
Media. 0.55% 0.58%
Multiutilities. 6.31% 5.47%
Gold Mining 4.42% 4.14%
"Oil Equipment, Services & Distribution" 0.36% 0.00%
General Financial 2.59% 4.08%
Mining. 6.93% 10.10%
Financial Services 2.46% 2.00%
Electricity 1.61% 1.40%
Mobile Telecommunications 0.91% 1.34%


73% of it is in ISA's
Due to the remaining minnows which just haven’t been worth selling, the median holding is only around 2.7k but the mean holding is around 4.5k.

Dividends
Dividends in 2022 increased to £8745 from £7,956 in 2021, but were slightly lower than initially projected due to the following - Berkely (BKG) produced hardly anything this time, Aviva was lower due to the return of capital and consolidation, GSK was down, while Rio’s specials weren’t quite as generous as last year.
Projection for 2023 is just over £9145.
The running yield is 5.7%, which feels about right despite the continued shambles at Sharecast making the figures less than reliable.

Overall Capital Performance
Miners, oil, and tobacco have all recovered while house builders, financials, and REITs have suffered.

Winners
Mostly the old traditionals:
BAE, RIO, Shell, Imperial Brands, HSBC

Losers, oddities, and serial disappointers
Losers I’m not worried about
House builders Taylor Wimpey and Vistry – both cyclical but seem sound enough.
Legal & General – solid and sure to bounce back from external issues. Excellent dividends.

Losers I am a bit concerned about
Marstons – could be the next Carillion – very worried, should have sold earlier.
Regional REIT – sentiment seems to be very down on REITs at the moment. It seems sound but the share price is refusing to recover at the moment. Not too worried and dividends continue to flow.
Polar Capital Holdings – did well for me at first but this year has seen poor results and lower funds under management. Not sure.

Serial disappointers
VOD – I should never have kept this after the disposal of the US Verizon holdings. Constant downward path for the last few years.
British Land - no signs of recovery here.
Lloyds – if I had a pound for every article I’ve ever seen saying that Lloyds are bound to go up soon I might almost have recovered my losses. :lol: To think they were once at 6 quid.

Oddities
Chesnara – keeps looking as if it’s recovering and then always falls back again.
Majestic/Naked Wine – has plunged this year, despite a US “expert” commentator describing it as a money making machine! (moral: never listen to expert commentators!)
MPAC – very volatile. Has also had a bad year.
And let’s not mention Petrofac.....

Proper Steady-Eddies
National Grid is about the only one that can claim that this year.

ETFs
My only ETF is VWRL. It started the year at around £89 and yo-yoed between 90 and 78 through the year before arriving now at £85.41. Probably a good summary of the whole overall picture.
I made a 15% top-up in November. My two 2017 buys are around 41% up while the two most recent ones are just a couple of percent up. I just wish I’d put all my 2017 investments there instead of buying so many shares that turned out to be at their top! :shock:

ITs
These turned in a very mixed performance in the last year. Here I had made the mistake of putting most of my 2021 investments into growthier ITs – partly because I felt I was too biased towards income (and HFEL was dropping persistently) and partly because with much of it going into unsheltered holdings I was trying to avoid going over the £2000 tax allowance threshold. My timing could hardly have been worse as growth suddenly went into reverse in 2022 and Europe got hit by the Ukraine invasion. Had I simply put it all into Foreign and Colonial (FCIT) I’d have been ok. Instead I put some into JFJ, which promptly reversed its climb, BlackRock Greater Euro (BRGE), and TR Property (TRG) which, having done well in 2021, suffered from both Ukraine and the property slump. I’m heavily down on all of those.

Of the others:
HFEL has recovered from a big slump in mid-October but is still a little down on the start of the year.
MYI which had slumped by over a third at the beginning of Covid staged a big comeback which has continued in 2022.
FCIT had a difficult first half of the year but has recovered and finished up.
MRCH dropped twice – on Ukraine and on Trussonomics but has recovered strongly since then and is slightly up.
BRSA has merely oscillated about a mean level and finished pretty much where it started.
JGGI had an unusually erratic year but finished almost back to where it started.

The end result was that having accounted for top-ups of FCIT and BRSA I lost about £1500 over the year, so it could have been worse.

Holdings
                                                                                 Value     Div    Fcst 
Share Epic Sector %Total %Total Yield

F and C Investment Trust FCIT IT - Global. 23.88% 8.27% 1.44%
JPMorgan Global Growth & Incom JGGI IT - Global Equity Income 20.11% 18.87% 3.90%
Henderson Far East Income Ltd. HFEL IT - Asia Pacific Income 19.47% 41.70% 8.90%
Merchants Trust MRCH IT - UK Equity Income 9.52% 11.23% 4.90%
BlackRock Sustainable American BRSA IT - North America 8.17% 7.47% 3.80%
BlackRock Greater Europe Inv T BRGE IT - Europe. 7.67% 2.58% 1.40%
Murray International Trust MYI IT - Global Equity Income 4.52% 4.46% 4.10%
TR Property Inv Trust TRY IT - Property Securities 4.48% 4.85% 4.50%
JPMorgan Japanese Inv Trust JFJ IT - Japan. 2.17% 0.57% 1.10%

Running Yield: 4.16%

Value Div
Sector %Total %Total

IT - Global. 23.88% 8.27%
IT - Japan. 2.17% 0.57%
IT - Asia Pacific Income 19.47% 41.70%
IT - UK Equity Income 9.52% 11.23%
IT - North America 8.17% 7.47%


Dividends
Were up at £1585
Projected for 2023 at £1678
Running Yield is 4.08%

OEICs
Both my OEICs had poor years – seemingly Ukraine and the Kwarteng crisis again - the first being about 3k down despite a recent recovery, and the second being 2k down – having been a further 3k down at Xmas.

Property
My late dad’s old house remains rented out, and generates around the same as the state pension.
My own house in Edinburgh remains in the care of my godson while I'm out here in Slovenia. I’ve been struggling healthwise for the last 15 months and was diagnosed with rheumatic polymialgia in March – recovery took most of the year but recently I’m much improved – but it’s meant that I haven’t been back to the UK during that time and haven’t been able to do much upgrading on my house here.

Pensions
I started drawing my state pension in April 2021. I'm still doing some part-time consultancy work for my oldest client. With concentrating on recovering I haven’t spent much this year and haven’t needed to start drawing down from my personal pensions yet.

Cash
As a result of the illness I've been reluctant to take too many critical decisions so I’m still a bit heavy in cash at the moment. Given that I can't put new money into ISA's and the UK is reducing the tax limits on dividends and capital gains my scope for using it is reducing. I’m considering whether I can afford to buy property in the Netherlands, where my girlfriend lives, in order to save on rental costs there, but that would require some major changes which I haven’t felt ready to make while recovering.

Overall conclusion
So despite global calamities my overall portfolio spread is still very similar to last year:

Property	39.5%
Cash 16.5%
Pension pot 16%
Shares 13%
OEICs 11%
ITs and ETFs 4%


We’ve now had three crazy years in a row and it would be nice to live in boring times for a change! A little down all round but could have been a lot worse.

As always many thanks to everyone who's responded to me here and made their knowledge available to us all.

cheers
Spiderbill

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Re: Spiderbill's yearly review Jan 2023

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Postby Itsallaguess » January 17th, 2023, 6:41 am

spiderbill wrote:
                                                                                 Value     Div    Fcst 
Share Epic Sector %Total %Total Yield


- - - Minnows - - -

Galliford Try GFRD Construction & Materials 0.22% 0.19% 5.00%
Greencore Group GNC Food Producers 0.17% 0.02% 0.80%
Essentra ESNT Support Services 0.16% 0.06% 2.20%
Centrica CNA "Gas, Water & Multiutilities" 0.11% 0.06% 3.20%
Majestic Wine WINE Retailers 0.09% 0.00% 0.00%
Hyve Group HYVE Media 0.02% 0.00% 0.00%


Due to the remaining minnows which just haven’t been worth selling, the median holding is only around 2.7k but the mean holding is around 4.5k.


Great review.

Just on the topic of 'minnows' like the above section of holdings, I think anyone investing in single-share portfolios over any length of time is likely to see a small collection of complete dregs form at the base of their portfolios, and having been there myself a few times in the past, all I would suggest is not to underestimate the feeling of personal relief that occurs if you allow yourself to simply get rid of them with a sensible spring-clean...

For me, there comes a point where individual holdings fall into the 'would it even make any material difference if these holdings were to quadruple from here in terms of delivered-income or capital', and if the answer to that is a resounding 'no', then personally, the benefits of finally selling up and ridding myself of having to constantly be reminded of them in my portfolio was of much greater personal benefit than any material worth in the minnow holdings themselves...

Cheap dealing days or similar can help with this, of course, so costs should always be minimised where they can be, but honestly, the day I decided to rid myself of similar size holdings all those years ago was a watershed moment for me in the self-flagellation stakes...

Cheers,

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Re: Spiderbill's yearly review Jan 2023

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Postby Gerry557 » January 17th, 2023, 7:40 am

Interesting read, maybe more so as the PF is very similar to my own. I like the way you put them into terms like steady eddy and serial disappointers.

I topped up lloys as it was going to do quarterly dividends, in fact I think there might have been 5 payments across the accounting year then the PRA stepped in and burst my bubble. Still jam tomorrow though.

RGL is another of mine, underwater but dividends still flowing. I'm still chasing downwards. I did note that last Jan my income was lower than the previous year and sometimes if I'm picking between two shares might pick the one that helps cashflow for a particular month. So far this year Jan payments have already surpassed last year's assisted by the bigger RGL payment due to the extra shares.

RGL have moved out of industrial to all offices whereas Epic have done the opposite. I don't know who is right but I suppose they balance each other out. The end of monthly payment will also add to my Jan income bump.

HFEL is also another I've chased downward. Was beginning to think this was a mistake but the tide is turning slowly. Showing a gain now if you include dividends but was in the red with them previously. Hopefully the compounding will work its magic.

I was thinking of holding off anymore investments and holding the cash waiting for an expected fall in the market post new year but we have had a late santa rally, maybe the postage strikes, so the opposite of my plan.

I have also added to EPIC and ADM which wasn't in my plan but double bump for Jan's income. Both showed a quick gain which is unusual so it could be the calm before the storm.

I also looked at releasing some funds but the limit orders I've set haven't been triggered.

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Re: Spiderbill's yearly review Jan 2023

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Postby spiderbill » January 17th, 2023, 7:57 pm

Itsallaguess wrote:Great review.

Just on the topic of 'minnows' like the above section of holdings, I think anyone investing in single-share portfolios over any length of time is likely to see a small collection of complete dregs form at the base of their portfolios, and having been there myself a few times in the past, all I would suggest is not to underestimate the feeling of personal relief that occurs if you allow yourself to simply get rid of them with a sensible spring-clean...

For me, there comes a point where individual holdings fall into the 'would it even make any material difference if these holdings were to quadruple from here in terms of delivered-income or capital', and if the answer to that is a resounding 'no', then personally, the benefits of finally selling up and ridding myself of having to constantly be reminded of them in my portfolio was of much greater personal benefit than any material worth in the minnow holdings themselves...
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Cheap dealing days or similar can help with this, of course, so costs should always be minimised where they can be, but honestly, the day I decided to rid myself of similar size holdings all those years ago was a watershed moment for me in the self-flagellation stakes...

Cheers,

Itsallaguess


Thanks, hopefully it's useful to some people who are maybe just starting out.

I certainly take your point about ditching the minnows for peace of mind and simplicity. I had originally intended to sell some of them last year, and should definitely have sold Naked Wines when it was riding high during Covid, but was very aware of my very short attention span while the rheumatic condition was at it's worst - I would start things and then just run out of energy half-way through and not finish them. So it never happened. Fortunately I'm nothing like as concerned about them as I was a few years back - it's the boards' fault not mine! :lol:

At some point I'll get shot of them and put the money towards another batch of something like FCIT.
Hey, if I set the cut-off a bit higher I could get rid of Vod as well! ;)

cheers
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Re: Spiderbill's yearly review Jan 2023

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Postby spiderbill » January 17th, 2023, 8:29 pm

Gerry557 wrote:Interesting read, maybe more so as the PF is very similar to my own. I like the way you put them into terms like steady eddy and serial disappointers.


Hope you avoided Petrofac!

The first time I used those descriptions they were mostly for light relief, but it is actually quite useful to assign them that way for perspective so I've kept them in.

Gerry557 wrote:I topped up lloys as it was going to do quarterly dividends, in fact I think there might have been 5 payments across the accounting year then the PRA stepped in and burst my bubble. Still jam tomorrow though.


Ah yes, I remember it well. I first bought them in the original demutualisation and for a long time they were the only share I had. Crazy to think that the price is back to what it was then.

Gerry557 wrote:RGL is another of mine, underwater but dividends still flowing. I'm still chasing downwards. I did note that last Jan my income was lower than the previous year and sometimes if I'm picking between two shares might pick the one that helps cashflow for a particular month. So far this year Jan payments have already surpassed last year's assisted by the bigger RGL payment due to the extra shares.

RGL have moved out of industrial to all offices whereas Epic have done the opposite. I don't know who is right but I suppose they balance each other out. The end of monthly payment will also add to my Jan income bump.


I've stopped adding to RGL for now, as experience has told me that the market can continue to follow the same path even when proved wrong, and I want some sign that the price might recover.
It did seem a strange change in strategy since they seemed to have done well in industrial, but their track record gives them the benefit of the doubt for now. Given that Amazon are closing three of their distribution centres maybe there's a change in the air and RGL will be proved right after all.

Gerry557 wrote:HFEL is also another I've chased downward. Was beginning to think this was a mistake but the tide is turning slowly. Showing a gain now if you include dividends but was in the red with them previously. Hopefully the compounding will work its magic.


On the recent recovery I'm 10% up on total return so if they can avoid further drops then the high dividends should push that higher quite quickly. Fingers crossed for both of us.

Gerry557 wrote:I was thinking of holding off anymore investments and holding the cash waiting for an expected fall in the market post new year but we have had a late santa rally, maybe the postage strikes, so the opposite of my plan.

I have also added to EPIC and ADM which wasn't in my plan but double bump for Jan's income. Both showed a quick gain which is unusual so it could be the calm before the storm.

I also looked at releasing some funds but the limit orders I've set haven't been triggered.


The last couple of weeks have been a pleasant surprise in terms of bottom line. Jan/Feb are poor months for divis for me so I won't have any possible ISA buys until the Spring, but might look at some growth stocks - or more likely ITs - while there's still some possible bargains around.

cheers and thanks for your thoughts
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Re: Spiderbill's yearly review Jan 2023

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Postby Gerry557 » January 18th, 2023, 11:32 am

"Hope you avoided Petrofac!"

Yes, I was too busy buying Debenhams and Carrillion :oops:

I also managed to release some funds finally, so might do a top up or two to get the lost income back.

I did a first buy of SMIF yesterday, mainly for the monthly income so other income options are open and monthly income versions might get some priority. I'll have to look.

I also want to increase ITs

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Re: Spiderbill's yearly review Jan 2023

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Postby spiderbill » January 20th, 2023, 12:28 pm

Gerry557 wrote:"Hope you avoided Petrofac!"

Yes, I was too busy buying Debenhams and Carrillion :oops:

I also managed to release some funds finally, so might do a top up or two to get the lost income back.

I did a first buy of SMIF yesterday, mainly for the monthly income so other income options are open and monthly income versions might get some priority. I'll have to look.

I also want to increase ITs


Yeah, I had them too :( Thankfully not much of the former but Carillion was a sore one.
Hadn't come across SMIF before - will take a look.
Yes I expect to move gradually towards a higher % of ITs as I get older. Slightly lower yield but more stable so requires less management/maintenance.

Good luck
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Re: Spiderbill's yearly review Jan 2023

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Postby andyalan10 » January 23rd, 2023, 2:29 pm

spiderbill wrote:
Serial disappointers
VOD – I should never have kept this after the disposal of the US Verizon holdings. Constant downward path for the last few years.
British Land - no signs of recovery here.
Lloyds – if I had a pound for every article I’ve ever seen saying that Lloyds are bound to go up soon I might almost have recovered my losses. :lol: To think they were once at 6 quid.

.......
And let’s not mention Petrofac.....

cheers
Spiderbill


Thanks for your review, I always find the most value in these posts is when people try and analyse their decisions, successes and failures.

I can play "Snap" with Vodafone and Lloyds. Except that I reduced Vodafone last February when it got to 131, a rise of 19% in 3 months. I topped back up at the end of last year at 90p. Maybe Lloyds will jump 20% in a quarter, I'll reduce, and they'll go further. But a little successful trading makes me happy.

And I think we should mention Petrofac. It was in the 140s in May last year. From around 100. That one I didn't reduce. But the strong director buying on the recent fall makes me feel comfortable holding them. But not comfortable enough to buy more, they are currently 2.4% of a 32 share portfolio.

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Re: Spiderbill's yearly review Jan 2023

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Postby spiderbill » January 25th, 2023, 11:33 am

andyalan10 wrote:Thanks for your review, I always find the most value in these posts is when people try and analyse their decisions, successes and failures.

I can play "Snap" with Vodafone and Lloyds. Except that I reduced Vodafone last February when it got to 131, a rise of 19% in 3 months. I topped back up at the end of last year at 90p. Maybe Lloyds will jump 20% in a quarter, I'll reduce, and they'll go further. But a little successful trading makes me happy.

And I think we should mention Petrofac. It was in the 140s in May last year. From around 100. That one I didn't reduce. But the strong director buying on the recent fall makes me feel comfortable holding them. But not comfortable enough to buy more, they are currently 2.4% of a 32 share portfolio.


Glad you found it useful. Good that you managed to make a bit back on Vodafone - smart timing. Was that when they made some money from their towers? I remember a time when the financial press were basically saying that their figures were different than conventional companies and that the outlook was positive despite them. Don't see that much these days! :o If they get back to the 130-ish level then I'll probably get rid if them as I don't see them ever getting back to the 200+ mark they used to be on.

I fear Petrofac have now become a lost cause - the SFO investigation went on so long that it structurally affected their ability to win new oil business way beyond the level of the fines. While they may make new business in wind energy I can't see them ever recovering even a quarter of the levels they used to command. I had hoped for a takeover to at least recoup something, but that seems unlikely now.

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