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The new Menace.

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby bungeejumper » July 8th, 2020, 4:02 pm

Mike4 wrote:When I explained why, he muttered something like well we like to check out scruffy youngsters in scruffy cars, kicked my front offside tyre and said "get those replaced", then without another word turned around, got back on his motorbike and rode off. I still think he quietly understood my point!

I think policemen all over the world will take the opportunity to check out an old car once they've stopped it. At the one extreme, of course, they might find housebreaking equipment or drugs; at the other, they might spot a duff seatbelt or a rusty floor or a knackered tyre that might shorten your life. :) So I don't really take exception to their curiosity.

That's easy for me to say now that I drive 'respectable' cars, but it was also true in my yoof when my mates and I used to scratch around Norf Lunnon on ancient motorbikes (and in cars) that were frankly pretty ropey. (It cost more money than we had to keep them properly maintained.) It was always a pain being told by plod to go and get this or that fixed, and then to turn up at the police station later with the faults fixed, but we took it in the spirit in which it was generally intended.

In short, it was more Dixon of Dock Green than Mean Streets Sector 42 City Patrol. And I am perfectly sure that if I'd been a young black male who was being stopped for the nineteenth time I wouldn't see it in the same way. The police have a difficult line to walk, and I suppose the best way I can help is by not doing unexpected things that make their lives more complicated. If they're behind me, I'll drive on normally and they can wait. They'll let me know if they're not happy with that. ;)

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby stevensfo » July 8th, 2020, 4:35 pm

dealtn wrote:
stevensfo wrote:...and am very happy to stay behind a large truck and listen to my audiobooks, comedy shows etc.


I prefer to have an unimpeded view of what's ahead of me than the back of another (large) vehicle.



My earlier post said that I 'respect distances.'

I have been in a few accidents due to cars going too fast, too close, not looking etc. Never a large truck.

Actually I feel safer. It's like being in snow and having a bloody great snow plough in front of me.

Steve

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby stevensfo » July 8th, 2020, 4:49 pm

bungeejumper wrote:I agree with Mike4 that a lot of tailgaters simply don't realise they are doing it. It's just become a habit to them to hassle and hustle the car in front, and they don't mean it particularly aggressively. Which is no consolation to anybody, really.

France has long been a haunt for young women driving small cars at reckless speeds in town. (The old "Papa/Nicole" Clio ads seemed to have been adopted as an aspirational behaviour on the other side of the Channel.) But at least the French know that they'll get hammered by the law if they get caught using a mobile phone at the wheel. Not so in our area, where I've lost count of the times I've seen young women nattering away happily on their handsets while within two yards of my rear bumper. Not even room to brake so as to let them get past me.

Speaking of which, I have a vague recollection that it's an offence to brake ostentatiously in an attempt to scare off a tailgater. You don't get much sympathy from your insurance company either if a shunt should result. :( So by all means touch the brakes, but remember to floor it at the same time. The elderly drivers I see in automatics around here appear to have no problems with pushing both pedals at once. ;)

I draw the line at giving way to a police car, though, unless it's on blues and twos. Suspicious behaviour, as my son in law (a chief inspector) informs me. Highly likely to be drunk.

BJ


You should come down to Italy, where I once remarked to a colleague that it seems 'obligatory' to use a mobile phone while driving. Yes, it's illegal, but the police are too busy doing random checks at the roadside - which, given their recent IT upgrades and number plate recognition software, can be done automatically. I see almost every day women with children not strapped in, reversing while chatting on the phone, trucks negotiating small village roads while the driver discusses his evening meal on the phone. It's got to the point now where I stop my car and do a Basil Fawlty impersonation. I don't give a damn about the driver, but why put their kids at risk?

Which no doubt gives them another excuse for phoning someone.

Steve

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby Mike4 » July 8th, 2020, 4:50 pm

stevensfo wrote:
dealtn wrote:
stevensfo wrote:...and am very happy to stay behind a large truck and listen to my audiobooks, comedy shows etc.


I prefer to have an unimpeded view of what's ahead of me than the back of another (large) vehicle.



My earlier post said that I 'respect distances.'

I have been in a few accidents due to cars going too fast, too close, not looking etc. Never a large truck.

Actually I feel safer. It's like being in snow and having a bloody great snow plough in front of me.

Steve

I agree.

If I'm following a large truck I keep far enough back so A) I can see properly and B) any car behind wanting to overtake me and the truck can slot in front of me before tackling the truck, instead of needing to get past both of us in one go.

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby dealtn » July 8th, 2020, 4:55 pm

Mike4 wrote:
stevensfo wrote:
dealtn wrote:
I prefer to have an unimpeded view of what's ahead of me than the back of another (large) vehicle.



My earlier post said that I 'respect distances.'

I have been in a few accidents due to cars going too fast, too close, not looking etc. Never a large truck.

Actually I feel safer. It's like being in snow and having a bloody great snow plough in front of me.

Steve

I agree.

If I'm following a large truck I keep far enough back so A) I can see properly and B) any car behind wanting to overtake me and the truck can slot in front of me before tackling the truck, instead of needing to get past both of us in one go.


A large truck on the motorway has a speed limit of 60mph. Why not just overtake it at 70 mph, within the limit, and safe, rather than travel slower than 90% of cars and add to the journey time?

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby stevensfo » July 8th, 2020, 5:02 pm

dealtn wrote:
Mike4 wrote:
stevensfo wrote:

My earlier post said that I 'respect distances.'

I have been in a few accidents due to cars going too fast, too close, not looking etc. Never a large truck.

Actually I feel safer. It's like being in snow and having a bloody great snow plough in front of me.

Steve

I agree.

If I'm following a large truck I keep far enough back so A) I can see properly and B) any car behind wanting to overtake me and the truck can slot in front of me before tackling the truck, instead of needing to get past both of us in one go.


A large truck on the motorway has a speed limit of 60mph. Why not just overtake it at 70 mph, within the limit, and safe, rather than travel slower than 90% of cars and add to the journey time?


60 mph? :-) Oh sure. On which planet? What's so terrible about adding a bit to the journey time? What's the journey time? I go from A to B and want to arrive at B feeling relaxed. Life's too short.

Steve

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby dealtn » July 8th, 2020, 5:14 pm

stevensfo wrote:
dealtn wrote:
Mike4 wrote:I agree.

If I'm following a large truck I keep far enough back so A) I can see properly and B) any car behind wanting to overtake me and the truck can slot in front of me before tackling the truck, instead of needing to get past both of us in one go.


A large truck on the motorway has a speed limit of 60mph. Why not just overtake it at 70 mph, within the limit, and safe, rather than travel slower than 90% of cars and add to the journey time?


60 mph? :-) Oh sure. On which planet? What's so terrible about adding a bit to the journey time? What's the journey time? I go from A to B and want to arrive at B feeling relaxed. Life's too short.

Steve


https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

Er, on this planet, in this country, and it used to be even lower.

I have a family member who is employed by Highways England in their "Lorry" section. There is almost 100% compliance with all laws by Lorry drivers. With the technology now available, and the downside risk of losing your livelihood, nearly all such drivers are compliant, and better drivers than most car users. I suspect you dispute this.

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby Mike4 » July 8th, 2020, 5:18 pm

dealtn wrote:
Mike4 wrote:
stevensfo wrote:

My earlier post said that I 'respect distances.'

I have been in a few accidents due to cars going too fast, too close, not looking etc. Never a large truck.

Actually I feel safer. It's like being in snow and having a bloody great snow plough in front of me.

Steve

I agree.

If I'm following a large truck I keep far enough back so A) I can see properly and B) any car behind wanting to overtake me and the truck can slot in front of me before tackling the truck, instead of needing to get past both of us in one go.


A large truck on the motorway has a speed limit of 60mph. Why not just overtake it at 70 mph, within the limit, and safe, rather than travel slower than 90% of cars and add to the journey time?


Because I'm not driving a car. Nor am I on a motorway!



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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby dealtn » July 8th, 2020, 5:23 pm

Mike4 wrote:
dealtn wrote:
Mike4 wrote:I agree.

If I'm following a large truck I keep far enough back so A) I can see properly and B) any car behind wanting to overtake me and the truck can slot in front of me before tackling the truck, instead of needing to get past both of us in one go.


A large truck on the motorway has a speed limit of 60mph. Why not just overtake it at 70 mph, within the limit, and safe, rather than travel slower than 90% of cars and add to the journey time?


Because I'm not driving a car. Nor am I on a motorway!


Fair enough. I assumed we were talking about motorways where overtaking within the speed limit is easily achieved using the additional lanes available.

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby AF62 » July 8th, 2020, 6:00 pm

Can't say that it is any better or worse than before.

On motorways I simply dial up an acceptable speed on the cruise control and forget about it. The cruise control is adaptive and takes care of what is in front, slowing or accelerating as needed, and I generally ignore anything behind me. However if someone is tailgating too close I just use the function to increase the distance between me and the vehicle in front and then go back to forgetting about them.

Equally in 20mph limits, again, just stick on the cruise control and forget about it - although that probably isn't what the designers of those schemes intended.

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby Arborbridge » July 8th, 2020, 6:03 pm

AF62 wrote:Can't say that it is any better or worse than before.

On motorways I simply dial up an acceptable speed on the cruise control and forget about it. The cruise control is adaptive and takes care of what is in front, slowing or accelerating as needed, and I generally ignore anything behind me. However if someone is tailgating too close I just use the function to increase the distance between me and the vehicle in front and then go back to forgetting about them.

Equally in 20mph limits, again, just stick on the cruise control and forget about it - although that probably isn't what the designers of those schemes intended.


I use my cruise control much of the time. It was intended for motorway driving, I'm sure, but I find it really useful to make sure one's speed does not run away in lower speed limit areas too.

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby Mike4 » July 8th, 2020, 6:20 pm

Arborbridge wrote:
AF62 wrote:Can't say that it is any better or worse than before.

On motorways I simply dial up an acceptable speed on the cruise control and forget about it. The cruise control is adaptive and takes care of what is in front, slowing or accelerating as needed, and I generally ignore anything behind me. However if someone is tailgating too close I just use the function to increase the distance between me and the vehicle in front and then go back to forgetting about them.

Equally in 20mph limits, again, just stick on the cruise control and forget about it - although that probably isn't what the designers of those schemes intended.


I use my cruise control much of the time. It was intended for motorway driving, I'm sure, but I find it really useful to make sure one's speed does not run away in lower speed limit areas too.


Me too, I use it constantly and when borrowing a vehicle without it, I miss it terribly.

One annoying feature of mine though is 20mph is the minimum vehicle speed at which it will work. Try to set it to 19mph or less and nothing happens - vit will not accept the setting. Similarly if I get it set to 20mph in a 20mph zone then apply the brakes, it will not re-engage and speed up to 20mph. Most annoying.

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby DrFfybes » July 8th, 2020, 6:59 pm

Mike4 wrote:
One annoying feature of mine though is 20mph is the minimum vehicle speed at which it will work. Try to set it to 19mph or less and nothing happens - vit will not accept the setting. Similarly if I get it set to 20mph in a 20mph zone then apply the brakes, it will not re-engage and speed up to 20mph. Most annoying.


I've just bought a new car, well, new for us - ie somthing made in the last decade.

In this case a 2016 Avensis which has a lot of toys, several of which seem so configurable that I can't beilieve many people use them, and certainy not safely.

However, it has cruise, but also a speed limiter, which can be set as low as 20. Sadly it also has an electric handbrake, although there was little choice of avoifding it.

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby stevensfo » July 8th, 2020, 7:22 pm

DrFfybes wrote:
Mike4 wrote:
One annoying feature of mine though is 20mph is the minimum vehicle speed at which it will work. Try to set it to 19mph or less and nothing happens - vit will not accept the setting. Similarly if I get it set to 20mph in a 20mph zone then apply the brakes, it will not re-engage and speed up to 20mph. Most annoying.


I've just bought a new car, well, new for us - ie somthing made in the last decade.

In this case a 2016 Avensis which has a lot of toys, several of which seem so configurable that I can't beilieve many people use them, and certainy not safely.

However, it has cruise, but also a speed limiter, which can be set as low as 20. Sadly it also has an electric handbrake, although there was little choice of avoifding it.

Paul


I remember arriving in Manchester airport about ten years ago and renting a car (Europcar?) that was on the roof of the multi storey car park, driving a few times around the car park, then back to the guy to ask "Where the &^@! is the handbrake?"

We drove around Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool and back to Manchester, and I don't think I ever sussed out how this new fangled monstrosity worked. I just used to try and park somewhere level, pressed a button and prayed.

My car today has one but I've learned how to use it now. I think. :-)

Steve

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby AF62 » July 8th, 2020, 7:27 pm

Arborbridge wrote:I use my cruise control much of the time. It was intended for motorway driving, I'm sure, but I find it really useful to make sure one's speed does not run away in lower speed limit areas too.


That is where I use the speed limiter function rather than cruise control. Foot on the floor to zoom away from the lights and then the power drops away as we reach 30 and stay there.

DrFfybes wrote:Sadly it also has an electric handbrake, although there was little choice of avoifding it.


So does mine - it works fine so why the dislike.

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby DrFfybes » July 8th, 2020, 9:10 pm

AF62 wrote:
DrFfybes wrote:Sadly it also has an electric handbrake, although there was little choice of avoifding it.


So does mine - it works fine so why the dislike.


Because rather than being conveniently located in the middle of the car within easy reach, it is under the dashboard in front of my left knee which requires me to put the car in neutral, release the clutch, move my leg, lean forwards and press the button. So now I sit at the lights with my foot on the brake dazzling the poor sod behind at night. Also when pulling away it is extremely slow to auto-release which means a lot of clutch slippage, and the hill assist doesn't hold long enough to press the button, lean back, then get the car in gear.

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby Arborbridge » July 8th, 2020, 11:00 pm

AF62 wrote:
Arborbridge wrote:I use my cruise control much of the time. It was intended for motorway driving, I'm sure, but I find it really useful to make sure one's speed does not run away in lower speed limit areas too.


That is where I use the speed limiter function rather than cruise control. Foot on the floor to zoom away from the lights and then the power drops away as we reach 30 and stay there.

DrFfybes wrote:Sadly it also has an electric handbrake, although there was little choice of avoifding it.


So does mine - it works fine so why the dislike.


I have a speed limiter, but can't get on with the feel of it. Prefer cruise control, but I guess it's all personal.

Arb.

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby servodude » July 9th, 2020, 1:36 am

DrFfybes wrote:
AF62 wrote:
DrFfybes wrote:Sadly it also has an electric handbrake, although there was little choice of avoifding it.


So does mine - it works fine so why the dislike.


Because rather than being conveniently located in the middle of the car within easy reach, it is under the dashboard in front of my left knee which requires me to put the car in neutral, release the clutch, move my leg, lean forwards and press the button.


Hired a Camry once on holiday
- it was an automatic which had the "parking break" as a pedal where the clutch should be
- bloody muscle memory!

- sd

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby AF62 » July 9th, 2020, 6:18 am

DrFfybes wrote:
AF62 wrote:
DrFfybes wrote:Sadly it also has an electric handbrake, although there was little choice of avoifding it.


So does mine - it works fine so why the dislike.


Because rather than being conveniently located in the middle of the car within easy reach, it is under the dashboard in front of my left knee which requires me to put the car in neutral, release the clutch, move my leg, lean forwards and press the button. So now I sit at the lights with my foot on the brake dazzling the poor sod behind at night. Also when pulling away it is extremely slow to auto-release which means a lot of clutch slippage, and the hill assist doesn't hold long enough to press the button, lean back, then get the car in gear.

Paul


Ah I understand - your car has a rubbish version. With mine I virtually never have to touch it.

I pull up to the lights and stop and it comes on when I take my foot off the brake pedal - and keeps the brake lights on so those approaching from behind know I am stopped.

I pull away and it instantly disengages - although the release point is configurable through the in-car menu.

Arrive at my destination and stop and it fully puts the handbrake on, so no brake lights.

Hill assist works well, but if you are not happy relying on it then you can use it like a manual handbrake by pulling the switch up, and it is situated exactly where a normal handbrake would be so that is easy.

So I would suggest the issue is not electronic handbrakes themselves, but the implementation of them on the car you bought.

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Re: The new Menace.

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Postby AF62 » July 9th, 2020, 6:27 am

Arborbridge wrote:
AF62 wrote:
Arborbridge wrote:I use my cruise control much of the time. It was intended for motorway driving, I'm sure, but I find it really useful to make sure one's speed does not run away in lower speed limit areas too.


That is where I use the speed limiter function rather than cruise control. Foot on the floor to zoom away from the lights and then the power drops away as we reach 30 and stay there.

I have a speed limiter, but can't get on with the feel of it. Prefer cruise control, but I guess it's all personal.

Arb.


I find cruise control to be good for driving where I am not stopping although the speed may vary up and down with traffic conditions - the cruise control being adaptive.

The speed limiter works well in stop start conditions in town and is useful to stop you accidentally exceeding the limit and leaves you able to concentrate on the road and not the dial.

Counter intuitively it often means I am travelling faster than the other cars as I can just plant my foot in the carpet as I exit a roundabout or set off from the lights without fear of exceeding the limit.


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