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Highway Code changes

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Re: Highway Code changes

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Postby servodude » August 2nd, 2021, 2:12 pm

Nimrod103 wrote:
AF62 wrote:
swill453 wrote:Any time you're sitting at traffic lights, a cyclist could, right now, quite legally have filtered up the left side of you, and be intending to go straight ahead. Anyone who turns left without checking is highly irresponsible. I always make a specific point of it.

Scott.


And the 'advance cycle' stop line officially encourages such behaviour, because if you followed the strict letter of the law, the only entrance to the advance stop line area is up the left hand side of the traffic.


I may be wrong, but I thought advance stop lines for cyclists would only be present where there is a clearly demarcated cycle lane up the left hand side leading to it.

Just to be clear, if there are cyclists in a clearly demarcated cycle lane, I take especial care. But under this possible change to the law, the mere presence of a cyclist makes it a cycle lane, whether marked or not. So a cyclist approaching rapidly up the inside has right of way going straight on, when the car at the head of the queue turning left may be unaware of their presence until a collision occurs.


ASLs often include a preceding entry section a couple of metres long to their left side; they don't require a cycle lane per se
They were often used at busy junctions because there wasn't space for a cycling lane and drivers apparently don't think to check to their left when pulling away at lights, so the safest place for a cyclist is to be In their field of view

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Re: Highway Code changes

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Postby Lootman » August 2nd, 2021, 3:57 pm

servodude wrote:the safest place for a cyclist is to be In their field of view

No, the safest place for a cyclist to be is behind the turning vehicle, waiting. If a cyclist is reliant on being seen coming from a direction a driver would not expect, then he/she is already in a passive and vulnerable situation.

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Re: Highway Code changes

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Postby 9873210 » August 2nd, 2021, 6:08 pm

Lootman wrote:
servodude wrote:the safest place for a cyclist is to be In their field of view

No, the safest place for a cyclist to be is behind the turning vehicle, waiting. If a cyclist is reliant on being seen coming from a direction a driver would not expect, then he/she is already in a passive and vulnerable situation.

The safest place for a cyclist is always in the centre of the lane. The problem is that for over a hundred years the highway code et al have been dedicated to keeping everything out of the way of motorists. Cycle lanes, advanced stop lines and the like are misguided attempts to correct for the original sin.

The best solution would be take the new rule 72, delete the first sentence and end the rule after the second comma in the second sentence.

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Re: Highway Code changes

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Postby jfgw » August 2nd, 2021, 6:12 pm

servodude wrote:ASLs often include a preceding entry section a couple of metres long to their left side; they don't require a cycle lane per se


They are not always on the left, for example,

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7407605,0.4668012,3a,60y,133.95h,70.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBOL--JPG1KvsJfFIFO29Sw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


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Re: Highway Code changes

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Postby servodude » August 2nd, 2021, 11:44 pm

jfgw wrote:
servodude wrote:ASLs often include a preceding entry section a couple of metres long to their left side; they don't require a cycle lane per se


They are not always on the left, for example,

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7407605,0.4668012,3a,60y,133.95h,70.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBOL--JPG1KvsJfFIFO29Sw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


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Indeed! and some have none!

I was wondering if that little inlet was what Nimrod was meaning as the demarcated bit at an ASL that caused him to take especial care

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Re: Highway Code changes

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Postby servodude » August 3rd, 2021, 12:06 am

servodude wrote:
jfgw wrote:
servodude wrote:ASLs often include a preceding entry section a couple of metres long to their left side; they don't require a cycle lane per se


They are not always on the left, for example,

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7407605,0.4668012,3a,60y,133.95h,70.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBOL--JPG1KvsJfFIFO29Sw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


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Indeed! and some have none!

I was wondering if that little inlet was what Nimrod was meaning as the demarcated bit at an ASL that caused him to take especial care

-sd


Here's a little runty one I remember well:
https://www.google.com/maps/@55.9454443,-3.2331066,3a,75y,257.98h,63.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNSYQtaW32TtHsOraX4zsjA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

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Re: Highway Code changes

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Postby servodude » August 3rd, 2021, 12:26 am

9873210 wrote:The safest place for a cyclist is always in the centre of the lane. The problem is that for over a hundred years the highway code et al have been dedicated to keeping everything out of the way of motorists. Cycle lanes, advanced stop lines and the like are misguided attempts to correct for the original sin.

The best solution would be take the new rule 72, delete the first sentence and end the rule after the second comma in the second sentence.


It's always seem weird how Cyclecraft and the Highway Code are published by the same folk yet aren't compl(e/i)mentary to/about each other

These changes look to address that a bit and I'm confident most will see them as an improvement

Unfortunately as with most things road (or lets be honest "change") related there will always be a small tranche of mutton faced lard buckets in their compensatory steel metaphors who are jealous of those still capable to move under their own steam and will mansplain to cyclists what they should be doing - fortunately they're a dying breed (heart related mostly) ;)

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Re: Highway Code changes

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Postby Lootman » August 3rd, 2021, 9:13 am

servodude wrote:These changes look to address that a bit and I'm confident most will see them as an improvement

Unfortunately as with most things road (or lets be honest "change") related there will always be a small tranche of mutton faced lard buckets in their compensatory steel metaphors who are jealous of those still capable to move under their own steam and will mansplain to cyclists what they should be doing - fortunately they're a dying breed (heart related mostly) ;)

Ah yes, the "anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot" argument.

Always and ever so persuasive.


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