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Electric car falls from a building in Shanghai

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Electric car falls from a building in Shanghai

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Postby Dod101 » June 24th, 2022, 5:38 pm

A BBC news report that a car fell from a testing facility on the third floor of a building in Shanghai reminds me of an incident in Hong Kong some years back. Not to make light of the fact that two persons were apparently killed.

There was at that time no restrictions on drinking and driving which may have had a bearing on the situation. I was at the time in Round Table, (a young men's service club) We held evening meetings and drink was taken.

At one meeting a member confessed to the rest of us that on returning to his car after the previous meeting, he slipped his car into gear and drove off. Unfortunately for him, he was on I think the fourth floor of a multi storey car park and he had selected a forward gear. He went through the barrier and landed more or less on four wheels four storeys below and personally intact. The fine for that escapade was 'Drinks all Round'.

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Re: Electric car falls from a building in Shanghai

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Postby bungeejumper » June 24th, 2022, 6:56 pm

Thanks, Dod, I'd somehow missed that story at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61919581 . Nasty business.

From the photos, it doesn't look as though that building had any installed capability for 'catching' cars that went out of control. And that eventuality can surely happen. Only recently, a dear friend hit forward instead of reverse, and the momentary panic and shock ensured a total loss of her vehicle (although thankfully, not her). Could have happened in any car park, at any height. :|

As it did at this Texas car park, for the second time in ten months! https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017 ... arage.html. Both drivers somehow escaped that one. Phew.

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Re: Electric car falls from a building in Shanghai

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Postby Dod101 » June 24th, 2022, 8:00 pm

bungeejumper wrote:Thanks, Dod, I'd somehow missed that story at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61919581 . Nasty business.

From the photos, it doesn't look as though that building had any installed capability for 'catching' cars that went out of control. And that eventuality can surely happen. Only recently, a dear friend hit forward instead of reverse, and the momentary panic and shock ensured a total loss of her vehicle (although thankfully, not her). Could have happened in any car park, at any height. :|

As it did at this Texas car park, for the second time in ten months! https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017 ... arage.html. Both drivers somehow escaped that one. Phew.

BJ


Thanks. So it is not as unusual as I was thinking.

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Re: Electric car falls from a building in Shanghai

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Postby seagles » June 25th, 2022, 8:11 am

Was in Bordeaux a few weekends back, on Victor Hugo there is a car park, with the front of a Jaguar car protruding from 2nd floor of the car park. In this case it is a sculpture. Must be French Hunour of course. :lol:
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/falling-car

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Re: Electric car falls from a building in Shanghai

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Postby marronier » June 25th, 2022, 2:26 pm

Automatic transmissions ,I assume.

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Re: Electric car falls from a building in Shanghai

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Postby Dod101 » June 25th, 2022, 3:39 pm

marronier wrote:Automatic transmissions ,I assume.


Why? The driver still has to select forward or reverse.

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Re: Electric car falls from a building in Shanghai

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Postby pje16 » June 25th, 2022, 7:55 pm

Would this have made the news if it had been a ICE vehicle
I doubt it :roll:

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Re: Electric car falls from a building in Shanghai

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Postby bungeejumper » June 25th, 2022, 8:35 pm

pje16 wrote:Would this have made the news if it had been a ICE vehicle
I doubt it :roll:

As I understand it, electric cars leap into action at full wattage as soon as you floor the pedal. Which is why they will often outpace an ICE that's got to wrestle with torque curves and gear changes. (That's certainly the way it seems on our local roads in the school run, where every EV driver seems to take off like they were competing at Santa Pod. :? )

So maybe there's a serious point to be made here about how you need to allow for extra contingencies when it's an EV rather than an ICE?

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Re: Electric car falls from a building in Shanghai

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Postby 9873210 » June 25th, 2022, 9:48 pm

pje16 wrote:Would this have made the news if it had been a ICE vehicle
I doubt it :roll:

No because what would have made the news was the CO poisoning. :evil:

It's not clear what the car was doing on the third floor of a building, but IME test facilities and show rooms for ICE vehicles and electric vehicles operate quite differently. With an ICE health and safety (and people who enjoy living) get antsy about ventilation. You don't drive indoors any more than is strictly needed. In a show room you position the car and turn it off. In a test facility you operate on a dynamo with an exhaust extractor on the tail pipe.

In comparison people can be quite cavalier operating electric vehicles indoors, including in normal office or retail space. This could have contributed to operating in a space not specifically designed for operating cars (which could have reinforced walls or Jersey barriers to contain runaways).

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Re: Electric car falls from a building in Shanghai

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Postby pje16 » June 25th, 2022, 9:53 pm

9873210 wrote:
pje16 wrote:Would this have made the news if it had been a ICE vehicle
I doubt it :roll:

No because what would have made the news was the CO poisoning. :evil:

just where is CO poisoning mentioned?

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Re: Electric car falls from a building in Shanghai

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Postby 9873210 » June 25th, 2022, 10:07 pm

pje16 wrote:
9873210 wrote:
pje16 wrote:Would this have made the news if it had been a ICE vehicle
I doubt it :roll:

No because what would have made the news was the CO poisoning. :evil:

just where is CO poisoning mentioned?

Read the entire post and stop quoting out of context.

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Re: Electric car falls from a building in Shanghai

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Postby pje16 » June 25th, 2022, 10:14 pm

9873210 wrote:
pje16 wrote:
9873210 wrote:
pje16 wrote:Would this have made the news if it had been a ICE vehicle
I doubt it :roll:

No because what would have made the news was the CO poisoning. :evil:

just where is CO poisoning mentioned?

Read the entire post and stop quoting out of context.

OK smarty pants
Car parks are NOT enclosed air-tight areas so how does CO build up

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Re: Electric car falls from a building in Shanghai

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Postby servodude » June 25th, 2022, 11:32 pm

pje16 wrote:
9873210 wrote:
pje16 wrote:
9873210 wrote:
pje16 wrote:Would this have made the news if it had been a ICE vehicle
I doubt it :roll:

No because what would have made the news was the CO poisoning. :evil:

just where is CO poisoning mentioned?

Read the entire post and stop quoting out of context.

OK smarty pants
Car parks are NOT enclosed air-tight areas so how does CO build up


Headline was/is: Two killed as Nio electric car falls from third floor office in Shanghai
- might have meant a car park but sounds like an office

I think folk might have different images in their heads
The third storey area from where the car fell has been variously described as a showroom, a testing facility or a car park


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