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MoT and what to do for now

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby swill453 » May 21st, 2020, 4:19 pm

MonsterMork wrote:
vrdiver wrote:I have a vehicle, first registered 28th March 2017.

It was due to go for a service and MOT, but my chosen garage closed before this was done. As I understand it, the MOT extension is for vehicles needing an MOT on or after 30th March, so I assume I am currently "out of MOT" and the only trip I can legally make is to drive to a pre-booked MOT test?

(The vehicle is currently taxed and insured.)

Correct, only driving to (and from, assuming no "dangerous" fails) a pre-booked MoT is acceptable.

You can also drive it separately for repairs, though I'd hope that wouldn't be necessary for a 3 year old car :-)

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby Alaric » May 21st, 2020, 4:29 pm

I have a car now over five years old which was due for its annual service and MoT at the end of April. The local garage has now reopened. I'm thinking of getting just the annual service done, given that the expiry date of the MoT is towards the end of October. Even in normal years, the mileage isn't enough to require six monthly servicing, so moving the MoT to October would mean future inspections of some degree every six months.

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby tea42 » May 21st, 2020, 6:45 pm

MonsterMork wrote:
tea42 wrote:My VW T25 Devon Camper was first registered on 23rd April 1980. Its MOT expires on June 1st. Therefore it can be MOT less until January 1st 2021. Its SORN at present so I intend to tax it for the Summer if travel restrictions are lifted and SORN it again at the end of October until April 23rd 2021 and then register it as a Historic Vehicle with a VED of £0.

I think I have got that correct?


Almost right. Your 6 month MoT extension will expire 1st December, and not 1st January. You can register as a historic vehicle today should you so wish, as it is now over 40 years old - waiting until 23 April 2021 would make it 41 years old.

Even though a vehicle may become exempt from MoT rules I would strongly advise getting one anyway. The onus of the law changes to point the finger of blame at the driver in the event of an incident involving an exempt vehicle - the rule of a vehicle being required to be in a roadworthy condition applies with or without an MoT, however most owners of exempt vehicles are unlikely to be able to state with some element of professional opinion as to the condition of a vehicle. Getting an MoT shows that an exempt vehicle has been properly assessed at some stage in its life, a handy little get out of jail free card to hold up ones sleeve.


The DVLC have a nasty little trick, my T25 would have to be registered before 23rd January 2020 to enable it to become a historic vehicle this year, its nonsensical. So, I will aproach DVLA after 23rd January 2021 for that. I have a VW build date certificate dating the build date as 5th April 1980. The van has been off the road since May 14th last year and I got a local VW Camper specialist to go over it with a fine toothcomb last Autumn. He found several areas needed welding and did the lot. He is confident it will sail through a test. He also replaced the carbs with a Weber which has cured tickover and flat spot problems. If he gets back to work anytime soon I will ask him to put it through the MOT. As you say you risk prosecution if the poor state of a historic vehicle can be proved to be the cause of an accident.

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby MonsterMork » May 21st, 2020, 8:07 pm

You can also drive it separately for repairs, though I'd hope that wouldn't be necessary for a 3 year old car :-)

Scott.


Wanna bet? Seen some right shockers at their first test, indeed DVSA's own numbers show that some 17% of vehicles fail their first MoT at three years old, rising to 19% at four years and second test.

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby DrFfybes » May 21st, 2020, 10:10 pm

Alaric wrote:I have a car now over five years old which was due for its annual service and MoT at the end of April. The local garage has now reopened. I'm thinking of getting just the annual service done, given that the expiry date of the MoT is towards the end of October. Even in normal years, the mileage isn't enough to require six monthly servicing, so moving the MoT to October would mean future inspections of some degree every six months.


I always used to do this for exactly the same reason, especially important when we were putting 12k per annnum on 10-15 yrar old cars. However now having cars that are in storage for the winter months and doing a lot less mileage means 2 of them tend to be serviced and MOT'd every 3-4000 miles at most.

For some reason when I moved the Toyota missed a service (probably as it was doing 120 miles per week less) so the service got stretched to the next MOT time. I shall try and remedy that when I move again (hopefully next month).

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby chas49 » May 22nd, 2020, 8:25 am

Speculation that the extension scheme could be curtailed:

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish ... now/193208

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby swill453 » May 22nd, 2020, 8:37 am

chas49 wrote:Speculation that the extension scheme could be curtailed:

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish ... now/193208

If they don't let it run for a full year then there'll be a chunk of the calendar when hardly any MOTs fall due.

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby chas49 » May 22nd, 2020, 8:54 am

swill453 wrote:
chas49 wrote:Speculation that the extension scheme could be curtailed:

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish ... now/193208

If they don't let it run for a full year then there'll be a chunk of the calendar when hardly any MOTs fall due.

Scott.


And conversely (potentially) a chunk when too many will fall due.

The safety argument has some merit but it is being put forward by people who need the income so it's not necessarily unbiased.

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby DrFfybes » May 22nd, 2020, 6:07 pm

I thought about the surge/dip in demand, so have 2 of ours booked in for the first week of June.

As we're (hopefully) moving house that week at least it will be something less to worry about shifting.

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby redsturgeon » June 12th, 2020, 11:49 am

I just found out today when trying to renew my VED for July onwards, that the government don't officially extend your MOT until 7 days before the due date.

So unless I wish to get a new MOT before then I have to wait to renew my VED. I hope I don't forget and get fined for not paying my annual fee of "NIL" pounds!

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby DrFfybes » June 12th, 2020, 1:46 pm

redsturgeon wrote:I just found out today when trying to renew my VED for July onwards, that the government don't officially extend your MOT until 7 days before the due date.

So unless I wish to get a new MOT before then I have to wait to renew my VED. I hope I don't forget and get fined for not paying my annual fee of "NIL" pounds!

John


Plus you have to pay the back tax to the date it was Sorn'd :)

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby AF62 » June 12th, 2020, 3:45 pm

redsturgeon wrote:I don't forget and get fined for not paying my annual fee of "NIL" pounds!


Can you set up a Direct Debit for your nil fee?

I have for my £30 annual fee so I can just forget about it.

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby Breelander » June 12th, 2020, 4:09 pm

AF62 wrote:
redsturgeon wrote:I don't forget and get fined for not paying my annual fee of "NIL" pounds!


Can you set up a Direct Debit for your nil fee?

I have for my £30 annual fee so I can just forget about it.


Unfortunately no. I have a direct debit set up for my taxable car, but for my other Historic Vehicle 'NIL rate' car that option isn't available, I have to re-tax or SORN it each year.

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby AF62 » June 12th, 2020, 5:18 pm

Breelander wrote:
AF62 wrote:
redsturgeon wrote:I don't forget and get fined for not paying my annual fee of "NIL" pounds!


Can you set up a Direct Debit for your nil fee?

I have for my £30 annual fee so I can just forget about it.


Unfortunately no. I have a direct debit set up for my taxable car, but for my other Historic Vehicle 'NIL rate' car that option isn't available, I have to re-tax or SORN it each year.


Why?

Surely they just pull the MOT and Insurance details off the database as they do with every other car, and then conclude that the tax payable is nothing.

Do you have to make some kind of declaration, or is it just stupid government?

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby swill453 » June 12th, 2020, 5:24 pm

AF62 wrote:Why?

Surely they just pull the MOT and Insurance details off the database as they do with every other car, and then conclude that the tax payable is nothing.

Do you have to make some kind of declaration, or is it just stupid government?

I guess it's an annual check that the registered keeper is a real, live, person that might be able to be traced if necessary.

I'd think it's actually the banks that wouldn't (necessarily) be able to cope with a £0 Direct Debit.

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby AF62 » June 12th, 2020, 6:01 pm

swill453 wrote:
AF62 wrote:Why?

Surely they just pull the MOT and Insurance details off the database as they do with every other car, and then conclude that the tax payable is nothing.

Do you have to make some kind of declaration, or is it just stupid government?

I guess it's an annual check that the registered keeper is a real, live, person that might be able to be traced if necessary.


But they have the details of the real live person who insured it, the same as they do for every other car. They don't care whether the DD is from the registered keeper's account.

swill453 wrote:I'd think it's actually the banks that wouldn't (necessarily) be able to cope with a £0 Direct Debit.


Then the DVLA should take out the requirement for a DD, after all the tax is zero, and just tick the box it is fine to drive.

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby swill453 » June 12th, 2020, 6:16 pm

AF62 wrote:
swill453 wrote:I guess it's an annual check that the registered keeper is a real, live, person that might be able to be traced if necessary.

But they have the details of the real live person who insured it, the same as they do for every other car. They don't care whether the DD is from the registered keeper's account.

It's relatively recently that they've had access to that (last couple of decades I'd imagine). I'm not surprised that maybe for historical reasons they want their own, validated, registration details. Which of course may be different from the insured person. The DD kind of ensures there's funding available from somewhere.

AF62 wrote:
swill453 wrote:I'd think it's actually the banks that wouldn't (necessarily) be able to cope with a £0 Direct Debit.

Then the DVLA should take out the requirement for a DD, after all the tax is zero, and just tick the box it is fine to drive.

That's in effect what happens, it just has to happen every year.

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby AF62 » June 12th, 2020, 8:08 pm

swill453 wrote:
AF62 wrote:
swill453 wrote:I guess it's an annual check that the registered keeper is a real, live, person that might be able to be traced if necessary.

But they have the details of the real live person who insured it, the same as they do for every other car. They don't care whether the DD is from the registered keeper's account.

It's relatively recently that they've had access to that (last couple of decades I'd imagine). I'm not surprised that maybe for historical reasons they want their own, validated, registration details. Which of course may be different from the insured person. The DD kind of ensures there's funding available from somewhere.


But why would they want "validated registration details" for the 0.000001% of historic cars that do damn all mileage, and not want the same thing for 99.99999% of the rest of the cars on the road? The issue of the registered keeper being different from the insured person is the same for both, so that cannot be the reason.

As for a DD ensuring there is funding; funding for what? All the DD can take is the road tax, which in the case of these is zero.

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby 9873210 » June 13th, 2020, 4:31 am

AF62 wrote:
But why would they want "validated registration details" for the 0.000001% of historic cars that do damn all mileage, and not want the same thing for 99.99999% of the rest of the cars on the road?


If you mean "few" or "almost none" just say that. They are wonderfully imprecise so it's hard to go wrong. On the other hand stringing a random number of zeros between a decimal point and a one will give number which will be off by several orders of magnitude.*

Also what about the other 0.000009% of cars?

* 0.000001% of cars is one out of 100 million, which would be less than one car in the UK.

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Re: MoT and what to do for now

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Postby AF62 » June 13th, 2020, 6:59 am

9873210 wrote:If you mean "few" or "almost none" just say that.


Because I meant neither.

Using “few” would significantly overstate the number and using “almost none” would understate it.


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