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Any experts in old pre war cars?

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Re: Any experts in old pre war cars?

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Postby staffordian » June 30th, 2020, 2:40 pm

Breelander wrote:
staffordian wrote:And finally, to keep slightly on topic, possibly the same car as prompted my original post with another one I can't identify in front of it...


That's almost certainly the same car at the back. In your first photo the numberplate can (just) be made out as VO 591(?)0. The same first two letters VO... are clearly visible in this last photo.

A velologist can also identify the year as being no later than 1931 from the vertical stripe on the tax disks. A vertical stripe was not used again until 1941.

http://www.creativetaxdiscs.co.uk/page27.html

Thanks again Bree, great information.

My Grandfather and his family lived near Nottingham and VO was a Nottingham issued plate. The last is of a Great Uncle who lived in Lincolnshire, and again the plate tallies.

I thought the Ford's reg was VO 5810, but I'll try to blow up the scan and recheck. Somewhere I think I still have all the prints. I mist have a go at rescanning them. I did them years ago at a pretty low resolution so I can hopefully do a bit better.

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Re: Any experts in old pre war cars?

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Postby staffordian » June 30th, 2020, 2:49 pm

Mike4 wrote:These are all just AMAZING photos. Like great music, they look as though they 'just happened', whereas I'd say a huge amount of planning and expertise went into taking them. Your grandfather I would suggest, was a superb photographer at the top of his game to achieve such superb prints with the equipment that must have been available at the time.

Not only did he take the photos but I'd say he developed and printed them too in his own darkroom, with no mistakes. I very much doubt Boots the chemist were processing and printing films commercially back then.

Or were they?

Good question! I must dig out the prints to see if there are any clues.

I think my grandfather was certainly keen on having good photographs. He fought in one of the Boer wars and I have a cracking studio portrait of him in uniform, several of him in "civvies" and some of him with team mates when he played soccer for (IIRC) Grantham Thursday. There are also studio shots of his children, including my father, of course, as they were young.

Then the studio portraits more or less stop and are replaced by the ones he or the family took.

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Re: Any experts in old pre war cars?

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Postby staffordian » June 30th, 2020, 2:50 pm

Clitheroekid wrote:
staffordian wrote:And finally, to keep slightly on topic, possibly the same car as prompted my original post with another one I can't identify in front of it...
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I'd hazard a guess that it might be a Standard.

Thanks Ck. Time for some Googling :)

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Re: Any experts in old pre war cars?

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Postby Dod101 » June 30th, 2020, 3:03 pm

Apart from the great photos just look how well the cars are polished. These were the days when cars were laid up in the winter months of course and certainly (much later) my father spent hours first washing and then polishing his car although I am thinking in terms of a 1935 Austin 10 or 12.

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Re: Any experts in old pre war cars?

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Postby Breelander » June 30th, 2020, 3:20 pm

Clitheroekid wrote:
staffordian wrote:And finally, to keep slightly on topic, possibly the same car as prompted my original post with another one I can't identify in front of it...

I'd hazard a guess that it might be a Standard.


The front bumper is a fairly distinctive design (taller in the middle, black on chrome) and appears to have a Rover badge in the centre. It appears identical to the bumper on this 1929 Rover 10/25 Sportsman's Coupe.

But in all other respects it appears to be a 1930 Rover 10/25 Steel Bodied Six Light Saloon

and here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GREEN,_1930_ROVER_10-25_GK_5752_(16633190683).jpg

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Re: Any experts in old pre war cars?

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Postby staffordian » June 30th, 2020, 3:44 pm

Breelander wrote:
Clitheroekid wrote:
staffordian wrote:And finally, to keep slightly on topic, possibly the same car as prompted my original post with another one I can't identify in front of it...

I'd hazard a guess that it might be a Standard.


The front bumper is a fairly distinctive design (taller in the middle, black on chrome) and appears to have a Rover badge in the centre. It appears identical to the bumper on this 1929 Rover 10/25 Sportsman's Coupe.

But in all other respects it appears to be a 1930 Rover 10/25 Steel Bodied Six Light Saloon

and here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GREEN,_1930_ROVER_10-25_GK_5752_(16633190683).jpg

Looks like you've cracked it again Bree. Thanks!

I knew him slightly when he was much older, in the 1970s, when he drove a cracking little Austin Metropolitan. That was quite a rarity.

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Re: Any experts in old pre war cars?

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Postby Breelander » June 30th, 2020, 4:01 pm

staffordian wrote:Looks like you've cracked it again Bree. Thanks!

I knew him slightly when he was much older, in the 1970s, when he drove a cracking little Austin Metropolitan. That was quite a rarity.


Nice looking car :)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_Metr ... gn_markets

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Re: Any experts in old pre war cars?

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Postby tjh290633 » June 30th, 2020, 7:04 pm

I thought it might have been an early Hillman Minx, as a neighbour had one some years ago. However looking at the picture at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillman_Minx the radiator is different, and the badge is distinctive.

TJH

P.S. After seeing the above comments, I checked on both Standard and Rovers of the era. The running boards are wrong for a Standard 10, but looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_10# ... _owner.JPG and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_Com ... Rover_cars the comparison is very close. It says that the body used by the Rover 10/25 was the same as that used by the Hillman MInx. Not something I was aware of, although they did say I was a whiz at indentifying cars pre 1939. Cigarette cards probably helped.

TJH

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Re: Any experts in old pre war cars?

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Postby Clitheroekid » July 1st, 2020, 1:16 am

Breelander wrote:But in all other respects it appears to be a 1930 Rover 10/25 Steel Bodied Six Light Saloon

Congratulations - spot on. Your identification skills are better than mine, but I enjoyed the exercise, so any more old car pix welcome!

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Re: Any experts in old pre war cars?

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Postby staffordian » July 1st, 2020, 9:16 pm

Clitheroekid wrote:
Breelander wrote:But in all other respects it appears to be a 1930 Rover 10/25 Steel Bodied Six Light Saloon

Congratulations - spot on. Your identification skills are better than mine, but I enjoyed the exercise, so any more old car pix welcome!


Try this one then :) ...

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Re: Any experts in old pre war cars?

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Postby Breelander » July 1st, 2020, 10:46 pm

staffordian wrote:Try this one then :) ...

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:lol: thanks, but I think I'll let that one pass.....

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Re: Any experts in old pre war cars?

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Postby Mike4 » July 1st, 2020, 10:52 pm

staffordian wrote:
Clitheroekid wrote:
Breelander wrote:But in all other respects it appears to be a 1930 Rover 10/25 Steel Bodied Six Light Saloon

Congratulations - spot on. Your identification skills are better than mine, but I enjoyed the exercise, so any more old car pix welcome!


Try this one then :) ...

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Ford Escort XR3i convertible.....

:lol:

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Re: Any experts in old pre war cars?

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Postby staffordian » July 1st, 2020, 11:17 pm

Breelander wrote:
staffordian wrote:Try this one then :) ...

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:lol: thanks, but I think I'll let that one pass.....

Can't think why :D

Same chap who had the Rover and Austin Metropolitain. But this certainly doesn't look like the latter, and my guess is that the picture is early 50s so would predate them anyway.

On a serious note, the window frame looks quite distinctive, but it's probably the sort of thing only an owner would recognise.

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Re: Any experts in old pre war cars?

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Postby Breelander » July 2nd, 2020, 12:11 am

staffordian wrote:On a serious note, the window frame looks quite distinctive, but it's probably the sort of thing only an owner would recognise.


The moulding on the side of the door looks quite distinctive too, but it's not one I can recognise or find on Google.

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Re: Any experts in old pre war cars?

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Postby AJC5001 » July 2nd, 2020, 1:33 am

Here's another one to try.
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My OH's maternal grandparents wedding car. Sept 1924, apparently. :)

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Re: Any experts in old pre war cars?

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Postby PinkDalek » July 2nd, 2020, 1:45 am

AJC5001 wrote:Here's another one to try. ...


I don't know the Iris model:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_%28car%29#/media/File:MHV_Iris_15_hp_1912.jpg

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Re: Any experts in old pre war cars?

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Postby Breelander » July 2nd, 2020, 2:56 am

AJC5001 wrote:Here's another one to try...

...My OH's maternal grandparents wedding car. Sept 1924, apparently. :)



The clearly visible Iris badge on the radiator is a bit of a giveaway :D

Cars of that era were often sold as a bare chassis, then fitted with a bespoke body at a coach-builder. Some photos here...

Maker of motorcycles from 1902-04 and later from 1905-15 of the Iris car.
https://gracesguide.co.uk/Iris_Motor_Co

...and if you scroll down a bit you'll find a 'November 1908 25 HP that looks very similar. Click on each small photo to see a larger version.


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