Honda Jazz Tyre Monitoring System

[bruncher]

I have paid a deposit on a 2018 Jazz at a Honda dealer.

Checking the car on check-mot.service.gov.uk/ (which I became aware of on this board) it tells me that this vehicle failed its first MoT because:

Tyre pressure monitoring system malfunctioning or obviously inoperative (5.2.3 (h))

Nearside Rear Tyre obviously under inflated (5.2.3 (l))

Nearside Rear Nail in tyre ()

Five days later it passed the MoT. I assume they would have used the Honda-supplied puncture fix and filled the tyre with foam/glue. And that they may have disabled the monitoring systems rather than fixing it?

I'm trying to think what I should look for when I collect the car. I have given it a very gentle test drive, before I became aware of this MoT history. I did not notice if the Tyre monitor came on or not: I believe the light should come on briefly at ignition and then go off after a couple of seconds.

Any tips on how to handle this would be appreciated. Is there an easy way to tell if a tyre is full of foam rather than air? Maybe at the least I would ten need a new tyre?

[moorfield]

Any tips on how to handle this would be appreciated. Is there an easy way to tell if a tyre is full of foam rather than air? Maybe at the least I would ten need a new tyre?

Well you can try pressing in the Schrader valve and listen for air, and put one of those digital pressure checker things on it too ...

I've seen a few nailed tyres fixed with plugs or foam or whatever and don't like them at all, not in winter and not on fast roads especially. The tyre may be repaired and seem sound, but it still has a hole in it at the end of the day - too unpredictable. I'd be wanting a new tyre.

[tsr2]

I assume they would have used the Honda-supplied puncture fix and filled the tyre with foam/glue.?

Why would you assume that. I would be surprised, if not actually shocked, were a Honda main dealer to sell a car with a foam sealant tyre repair. Definitely take a look at the tyre and ask them whether it was repaired or replaced, but I would expect them to have at least done a proper repair, which wouldn't cost them a great deal or, more likely, to have replaced the tyre with a new one.

[DrFfybes]

Look at the tyres.

You know which one should have been replaced as it specifies it on the MOT report - see if one is a different make to the others, or obviously has more tread, or has a newer date code. If all 4 tyres are the same make and all date from 2017, they haven't erplaced any.

Depending on the mileage, they might have just replaced them all.

Paul

[MonsterMork]

Ditto wot DrF said.

Failing the MoT for "TPMS inoperative" is indeed correct, but in itself it is not necessarily so much of an issue. Chances are that it was simply a malfunction in a wheel sensor inside one of the tyres, and this has now been fixed. This is a regular thing with all manufacturers, and not just specific to the Jazz, so no need to worry about it. The TPMS warning system will not have been disabled - 1: not possible to do it, and 2: it would show up as a warning message on the dash anyway!

"Tyre under-inflated" and "nail in tyre" will have been advisories, not fails. I put these on an MoT at least once a day! The tyre will have been repaired or replaced, so again, nowt to worry about.

How to handle this? Forget about it. It is a three year old Jazz so buy with confidence.

MoTTesterMork

[bruncher]

Thanks for all the help. Much appreciated. I was nudged into buying a new car because I'm just inside the extended Ultra Low Emissions Zone in London and having to pay £12.50 every time I move my 2005 diesel Polo. I have also lost my local excellent mechanic who used to fix things rather than replace things and was happy to source parts on ebay when appropriate (i.e. when safety not compromised). Sadly he has had to retire due to ill health.

With the Jazz, I have now politely emailed the dealer and asked if they could please check on what kind of tyre repair or replacement was carried out, and if the Tyre Pressure Monitoring System is now working as per spec.

Many of the threads about the Jazz on this board are about the CVT. I've bought one with a manual gearbox. Starting to look forward to all the new tech - electric windows, air con, lights that come on without waiting to be asked.

I'd be interested to hear if Honda owners use Honda garages for servicing or - as with so many marques - avoid the official authorised providers. I thought that staying with non-hybrid might give more choice in that respect.

[9873210]

I'd be interested to hear if Honda owners use Honda garages for servicing or - as with so many marques - avoid the official authorised providers. I thought that staying with non-hybrid might give more choice in that respect.

Most repairs are to a hybrid are to non-hybrid parts. All but the crustiest of mechanics have learned enough about hybrids* to handle these repairs. Hybrids are now common enough that most mechanics will be competent to handle hybrid adjacent repairs such as changing transmission fluid. As with any car if the problem is weird enough (e.g. software problems) a specialist or dealer will be the best bet.

FWIW I have a Toyota Prius and use an independent mechanic. When I first took it in, he told me he'd just sent one of his guys on a course. That was five years ago, today I regularly see a few Prii parked on his forecourt. There are probably other hybrids I can't identify at 40 metres and 40 mph.

* Treat the bright orange high voltage cables and batteries with the same respect you'd treat the petrol lines and tank.

[ElCid]

Thanks for all the help. Much appreciated. I was nudged into buying a new car because I'm just inside the extended Ultra Low Emissions Zone in London and having to pay £12.50 every time I move my 2005 diesel Polo. I have also lost my local excellent mechanic who used to fix things rather than replace things and was happy to source parts on ebay when appropriate (i.e. when safety not compromised). Sadly he has had to retire due to ill health.

With the Jazz, I have now politely emailed the dealer and asked if they could please check on what kind of tyre repair or replacement was carried out, and if the Tyre Pressure Monitoring System is now working as per spec.

Many of the threads about the Jazz on this board are about the CVT. I've bought one with a manual gearbox. Starting to look forward to all the new tech - electric windows, air con, lights that come on without waiting to be asked.

I'd be interested to hear if Honda owners use Honda garages for servicing or - as with so many marques - avoid the official authorised providers. I thought that staying with non-hybrid might give more choice in that respect.

Sorry for the late comments but do not come to this board very often.

I have a 2019 Honda HRV which is closely related to the Honda Jazz. Most new cars now do not come with a spare wheel instead offering an aerosol of gunk to repair a puncture and get you to the nearest garage. This is meant to be a temporary fix. The garage will almost certainly tell you that the tyre is now ruined and you need a new one. So you have to fork out for a new tyre.
What are your alternatives:
1. You can buy a "space-saver" (sometimes called skinny) spare which would allow you to replace the faulty tyre. This too is a temporary fix as you are not meant to travel any distance with this wheel. Also your max speed is limited to 50 mph. You will almost certainly need to purchase a jack as as well. Note that the spare wheel is specific to your make of car. Many car factors sell kits that include jacks and spare wheel.
2. If you use this solution, there is a possibility that a decent tyre shop may be able to repair your tyre. This depends on where the nail etc. was. Sidewall damage is irreparable.

You have just reminded me that I need to get one of these spare wheels!

[bungeejumper]

[You have just reminded me that I need to get one of these spare wheels!

I bought a secondhand slimline spare recently for thirty quid - immaculate tread, never been used, plenty of perfectly good suppliers on Ebay. The snag was that the fitted tyre was well over the 6 year age limit at which it should have been junked. A replacement tyre would be £45 or so.

The combined £75 cost would be about half of what a brand new OEM spare plus tyre would have cost from the manufacturer. So what to do? The angel sitting on my right shoulder says I should shell out the money for the new tyre. And the devil on the left shoulder says "yeah, it's old but it's still okay for the ten mile run to my local tyre dealer."

Yeah, I know, I know. If I use an old but visually "perfect" spare wheel and tyre and it pops and I crash the car, my insurance company is going to to give me some grief. I'll get round to it, I really will......

BJ