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May I ask..Re Engine/fuel fault on a 07 Focus TDci.

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Re: May I ask..Re Engine/fuel fault on a 07 Focus TDci.

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Postby bungeejumper » March 13th, 2023, 1:36 pm

gnawsome wrote:And now - I feel a complete idiot;
Decided to do shopping and refuel.
Started OK - drove c200m down the road and cut-out - dead no re-start!
walked home to get OBD2.
Reads P0100 Mass or volume air flow A circuit
Repairers will do nothing today leaving it stranded.
On-line advice is to remove MAF and apply cleaner...
Did sombody say moneypit

Ouch. But from here (sigh) it's back to the garage that did the DPF job. Your best bet is probably to call out a breakdown service and have the car towed back there. So sorry!

BJ

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Re: May I ask..Re Engine/fuel fault on a 07 Focus TDci.

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Postby ten0rman » March 18th, 2023, 2:59 pm

It's me again, the Ford hater!

Your story of the sensor failure rings a bell with me and my Focus. And according to my records I had a thing called a Map Sensor replaced at the 65000 mile service - cost £86-60. Presumably plus the dreaded VAT. It is of course possible that I entered the details incorrectly, and it should have been MAF, as in Mass Airflow Sensor.

Did I mention I hate Fords!

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Re: May I ask..Re Engine/fuel fault on a 07 Focus TDci.

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Postby Watis » March 18th, 2023, 4:02 pm

I've had a Kuga which experienced a similar problem.

Accelerating up a hill, the dashboard display showed an 'engine malfunction' warning and the engine lost a little power. The reduced power, say 90% of normal, meant the car remained drivable, unlike the usual 'limp home' mode. But fuel economy takes a 10% hit too

Once home, I checked the manual - which said that the vehicle should be taken to a dealer immediately! The warning must cover a multitude of faults, some serious and some less so.

My preferred independent garage found the warning was from the DPF pressure sensor. To their credit, rather than just replace the DPF - at who knows what cost - they said that they thought that the problem was a faulty sensor, because they could perform a manual regeneration. They replaced the sensor and all was well...

... Until, a few months later, when the same problem reappeared. Another new sensor and manual regeneration. No charge though, as it's still under warranty.

And, would you believe it, a few weeks later, the problem is back again! This time, the garage suspected their third party sensors were dodgy, so fitted a genuine Ford sensor, performed another regeneration, again under warranty, and handed the car back.

Success! There was no further occurrence of the problem between last summer and my selling the car earlier this year.

An honest garage is worth their weight in gold!

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May I ask... Update

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Postby gnawsome » March 23rd, 2023, 1:19 pm

I would like to thank all who have responded and thus given me some ‘steers’ as to how to get out of this particular situation. In particular the advice to get an OBD scanner that paid for itself 2 ½ times over at first usage. It has since helped several times, even with my limited capacity.
As a form of thanks I’ve put together a time-line of events and actions that bring me to today where I think I have a runner – that would not have happened without the guidance received.

Focus 1.6 Tdci

Time line of faults

030519 Engine cuts out – restarts immediately
050319 Engine cuts out – restarts immediately
130319 Take to garage for diagnosis and repair
Fuel filter £96
Recommended additive 15
021219 [Not related, replace starter] 150
251022 Eng sys fault (non-starter)
Recovery to garage 50
Instrs to; repair+service+MoT 368
Includes “ to drain contaminated fuel and replace 130
070223 Non-starter – no trust in garage so buy OBD2 20
OBD2 says 242f DPF ash-clogged
OBD2 enables ‘clear codes’ and starting
100323 Different garage; to clean DPF (incl oil+filter change) 231
120323 B/dn at 200m from home eng sys fault
Garage 2 – not interested
130323 ‘Relly’ tows me home
130323 OBD2 says MAF sensor faulty
140323 ‘Relly’ removes MAF sensor and we buy Cleaner at Halfords 6
Starts and runs no apparent faults
150323 Take to fuel stn – refuel and... non-starter
Disconnect MAF – restarts
Reconnect MAF – restarts – drive home
160323 Starts, stumbles, stalls. Restarts with part-throttle
170323 Starts, stalls, restarts on part throttle.
Drive local roads, no misfires
180323 Starts, stalls, restarts on part throttle.
210323 Starts on part throttle

I know that seems pedantic but it seems to tell me that
Garage staff – generally - are not capable of diagnosing faults and/or are intent on up-selling repeated oil and fuel filter changes.
That an 86yo with a £20 OBD2 scanner can identify faults that they do not.
Wilful incompetence springs to mind.


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