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Whaaaat - Proof that 1 = 2

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Whaaaat - Proof that 1 = 2

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Postby AsleepInYorkshire » April 5th, 2021, 7:36 am

Is this correct?

Call it April 5th day?

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Re: Whaaaat - Proof that 1 = 2

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Postby SteelCamel » April 5th, 2021, 6:08 pm

Hmm...

Let a=b

then later

divide everything by a-b

...and what is a-b?

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Re: Whaaaat - Proof that 1 = 2

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Postby Mike4 » April 5th, 2021, 6:45 pm

SteelCamel wrote:Hmm...

Let a=b

then later

divide everything by a-b

...and what is a-b?


Yes the old "divide both sides by zero" thing that most 'proofs' that something = something else rely on, when it obviously doesn't!

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Re: Whaaaat - Proof that 1 = 2

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Postby didds » April 5th, 2021, 7:39 pm

and even forgetting the divide both sides by zero ... the euqation is already starding at 0=0 and thats it, game over

(a+b)(a-b)=b(a-b)

is (a+b) * 0 = b *0
0 =0

that's it.

as an exercise though it gets the students thinking about what they are really dealing with I guess! And allows the lecturer to explain that you cannot/do not/should not divide by zero :-)

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Re: Whaaaat - Proof that 1 = 2

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Postby mc2fool » April 5th, 2021, 7:49 pm

Errr ... did any of you actually watch the video all the way through?!? It's only 3 minutes long and at the end he does explain why it's nonsense. :D

Don't divide by zero or you'll end up proving this, and then nothing in the universe will make sense.

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Re: Whaaaat - Proof that 1 = 2

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Postby AleisterCrowley » April 5th, 2021, 8:01 pm

Series to infinity - double each term
Z = 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 .......+
2Z = 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 ..... +
Z - 2Z = 1
Z= -1
so 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 .......+ = -1

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Re: Whaaaat - Proof that 1 = 2

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Postby Mike4 » April 5th, 2021, 9:22 pm

AleisterCrowley wrote:Series to infinity - double each term
Z = 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 .......+
2Z = 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 ..... +
Z - 2Z = 1
Z= -1
so 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 .......+ = -1


I think this mainly illustrates my old maths teacher was right when he maintained infinity is indeterminate rather than a value. Therefore like dividing by zero, it doesn't work in equations like this.

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Re: Whaaaat - Proof that 1 = 2

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Postby Gengulphus » April 5th, 2021, 11:53 pm

Mike4 wrote:
AleisterCrowley wrote:Series to infinity - double each term
Z = 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 .......+
2Z = 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 ..... +
Z - 2Z = 1
Z= -1
so 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 .......+ = -1

I think this mainly illustrates my old maths teacher was right when he maintained infinity is indeterminate rather than a value. Therefore like dividing by zero, it doesn't work in equations like this.

It's actually rather more complicated than that. 'Infinity' is not a single mathematical concept, but many different concepts - and each of them has different rules about manipulating it. That particular proof breaks the rules about working with infinite sequences in the 'real numbers' (which are what we normally think of as just 'numbers'), for instance, but it is the essence of a valid proof in the '2-adic integers' (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-adic_number if you want the gory details of what they are!), and that's related to the fact that computers generally represent -1 in "two's complement" form as a binary number in which all the bits are 1s.

Gengulphus


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