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the virus, liberty and democracy

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the virus, liberty and democracy

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Postby look » January 2nd, 2022, 4:53 am

I think people should prepare the body to resist to the virus. Otherwise the liberty and democracy in the world is at risk.
We can't forget raw garlic, some vitamins, minerals, some anti inflamatories.

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Re: the virus, liberty and democracy

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Postby DrFfybes » January 2nd, 2022, 8:54 am

I've prepared my body to resist the virus.

With a little help from AstraZeneca and Moderna.

Paul

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Re: the virus, liberty and democracy

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Postby Dod101 » January 2nd, 2022, 8:58 am

There have been pandemics as least as bad in the past and the world recovered for many years and that was without the help of vaccines. I therefore have hope for our future.

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Re: the virus, liberty and democracy

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Postby Breelander » January 2nd, 2022, 5:41 pm

DrFfybes wrote:I've prepared my body to resist the virus.

With a little help from AstraZeneca and Moderna.

Paul

It was Phizer that helped prepare mine.

Mind you I have been using raw garlic for years, but that's just because I like it ;)

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Re: the virus, liberty and democracy

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Postby look » January 2nd, 2022, 6:07 pm

even the vaccinated should not forget raw garlic, some vitamines, minerals, anti inflammatories.

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Re: the virus, liberty and democracy

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Postby DrFfybes » January 3rd, 2022, 8:08 am

Breelander wrote:
DrFfybes wrote:I've prepared my body to resist the virus.

With a little help from AstraZeneca and Moderna.

Paul

It was Phizer that helped prepare mine.


Are you sure it was a genuine one and not a misspelt Chinese knockoff from Amazon :)

Paul

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Postby wydffa » January 3rd, 2022, 2:57 pm

Robert Malone MD presents an alternative to the mainstream narrative on liberty, democracy and the virus. The full interview is on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast #1757 on Spotify. Short clips are on Youtube but if you are interested in "alternative viewpoints" the whole podcast is worth a listen.

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Re: the virus, liberty and democracy

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Postby stewamax » January 11th, 2022, 5:26 pm

Dod101 wrote:There have been pandemics as least as bad in the past and the world recovered for many years and that was without the help of vaccines. I therefore have hope for our future.

The world did indeed recover from the 1918 flue epidemic ('Spanish flu') - with only around half-a-billion cases and a mere 25 million deaths (or perhaps twice that). No-one was vaccinated because there was no vaccine. Like COVID-19 and Ebola, it created a cytokine storm.

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Re: the virus, liberty and democracy

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Postby Arborbridge » January 11th, 2022, 5:41 pm

look wrote:even the vaccinated should not forget raw garlic, some vitamines, minerals, anti inflammatories.


Who said we have forgotten them? Not that they were much help in the pandemic.

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Postby Arborbridge » January 11th, 2022, 5:42 pm

Dod101 wrote:There have been pandemics as least as bad in the past and the world recovered for many years and that was without the help of vaccines. I therefore have hope for our future.

Dod


True, the human race was scarcely in any real danger, though many individuals were and are personally.

Arb.

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Re: the virus, liberty and democracy

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Postby mc2fool » January 11th, 2022, 11:15 pm

stewamax wrote:
Dod101 wrote:There have been pandemics as least as bad in the past and the world recovered for many years and that was without the help of vaccines. I therefore have hope for our future.

The world did indeed recover from the 1918 flue epidemic ('Spanish flu') - with only around half-a-billion cases and a mere 25 million deaths (or perhaps twice that). No-one was vaccinated because there was no vaccine. Like COVID-19 and Ebola, it created a cytokine storm.

That "only" half a billion cases and "mere" 25-50 million deaths was out of a world population of circa 1,700 million at the time.

Now world population is circa 7,800 million and in the same ratio it would be 2,294 million cases and 114-229 million deaths.

In fact we've had only 311 million cases and 5.5 million deaths, so far at least. We've got off lucky, methinks... :(

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Re: the virus, liberty and democracy

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Postby Dod101 » January 12th, 2022, 7:49 am

mc2fool wrote:
stewamax wrote:
Dod101 wrote:There have been pandemics as least as bad in the past and the world recovered for many years and that was without the help of vaccines. I therefore have hope for our future.

The world did indeed recover from the 1918 flue epidemic ('Spanish flu') - with only around half-a-billion cases and a mere 25 million deaths (or perhaps twice that). No-one was vaccinated because there was no vaccine. Like COVID-19 and Ebola, it created a cytokine storm.

That "only" half a billion cases and "mere" 25-50 million deaths was out of a world population of circa 1,700 million at the time.

Now world population is circa 7,800 million and in the same ratio it would be 2,294 million cases and 114-229 million deaths.

In fact we've had only 311 million cases and 5.5 million deaths, so far at least. We've got off lucky, methinks... :(


Seeing these numbers the effect of the Spanish flu was staggering, I am just surprised that we tend to hear little about it. Of course my parents were quite young at the time and it would have had little impact on their lives. And that is a huge death rate out of the number infected, assuming of course the figures are at all accurate.

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Re: the virus, liberty and democracy

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Postby Hallucigenia » January 12th, 2022, 11:45 am

stewamax wrote:No-one was vaccinated because there was no vaccine.


Although there's a theory that the peak age of death being around 28 in 1918 and tailing off in older people (ie very different to normal flus and eg Covid-19) correlates suspiciously well with the timing of the "Russian flu" of 1889-90, implying the 1918 flu could have been a lot more deadly if the older generations hadn't been exposed to the vaccinating effect of the 1889-90 flu.

mc2fool wrote:In fact we've had only 311 million cases and 5.5 million deaths, so far at least. We've got off lucky, methinks... :(


You should probably take that 5.5m figure with a pinch of salt, and certainly not compare it with the estimates for 1918. For instance around 80% of deaths in India have no medical certification and Jha et al suggested that Indian Covid-19 deaths were undercounted by a factor of 6-7x.

The Economist estimates the actual global Covid-19 death toll is somewhere in the range of 12-22.4 million, with a central estimate of 19.1m, or 3.5x the official number of 5.5m.

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Re: the virus, liberty and democracy

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Postby mc2fool » January 12th, 2022, 12:44 pm

Hallucigenia wrote:
mc2fool wrote:In fact we've had only 311 million cases and 5.5 million deaths, so far at least. We've got off lucky, methinks... :(

You should probably take that 5.5m figure with a pinch of salt, and certainly not compare it with the estimates for 1918. For instance around 80% of deaths in India have no medical certification and Jha et al suggested that Indian Covid-19 deaths were undercounted by a factor of 6-7x.

The Economist estimates the actual global Covid-19 death toll is somewhere in the range of 12-22.4 million, with a central estimate of 19.1m, or 3.5x the official number of 5.5m.

Yes, fair enough, we'll (probably) find out over time. Hopefully this time round we'll have a better idea of numbers, with the Spanish flu estimates ranging from 17 to 100 million, although 25-50m does seem to be the consensus. And, of course, the Black Death is reckoned to have killed 30-60% of Europe's population, with similar numbers for the Plague of Justinian in the 6-7th C.


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