BobbyD
So please show them to us.
As you know these are privately held by Tesla.
The whole idea is to get the system working in a real world environment, just like any beta.
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BobbyD
So please show them to us.
Adamski wrote:Tesla over $1 trillion market cap. Up 31% in past month.
I'd wager unless Tesla gets a cheap £20,000 car on the market, they will go the way of Cisco in 1999-2000 ie bubble followed by crash.
As the other car makers go cheap workable EVs. There's only so many millionaires around to buy 40-55k cars.
odysseus2000 wrote:BobbyD
So please show them to us.
As you know these are privately held by Tesla.
Adamski wrote:Tesla over $1 trillion market cap. Up 31% in past month.
I'd wager unless Tesla gets a cheap £20,000 car on the market, they will go the way of Cisco in 1999-2000 ie bubble followed by crash.
As the other car makers go cheap workable EVs. There's only so many millionaires around to buy 40-55k cars.
BobbyD
So you can't know that safety score has been properly validated as a method of assessing the fitness of untrained drivers to oversee experimental software on public roads can you?
odysseus2000 wrote:Tesla have shared their approach with US regulators and got the green light. What else does one need to know?
BobbyD
In which case you can point us to US regulators statement about how they have assessed Safety score and found it to be a valid method of assessing whether or not untrained drivers are fit to oversee experimental software on public roads, along with a list of the road and automotive safety experts, the engineers programmers, psychologists and statisticians who were on the panel which validated it.
odysseus2000 wrote:BobbyD
In which case you can point us to US regulators statement about how they have assessed Safety score and found it to be a valid method of assessing whether or not untrained drivers are fit to oversee experimental software on public roads, along with a list of the road and automotive safety experts, the engineers programmers, psychologists and statisticians who were on the panel which validated it.
I have no connection with either Tesla or the US regulatory agencies.
How do you think I could have any information on the US regulatory process and private discussions with a manufacturer?
odysseus2000 wrote:Tesla score is backed up by accident statistics.
BobbyD
Because you just claimed that
odysseus2000 wrote:
Tesla score is backed up by accident statistics.
odysseus2000 wrote:BobbyD
Because you just claimed that
odysseus2000 wrote:
Tesla score is backed up by accident statistics.
It is an inference from observed behaviour.
If the accident statistics were terrible, the beta trials would have been made illegal, but they haven't hence the accident statistics must be acceptable to the authorities.
In investment and trading one often does not have specific information and one has to deduce it from what one knows.
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Adamski wrote:Tesla over $1 trillion market cap. Up 31% in past month.
I'd wager unless Tesla gets a cheap £20,000 car on the market, they will go the way of Cisco in 1999-2000 ie bubble followed by crash.
As the other car makers go cheap workable EVs. There's only so many millionaires around to buy 40-55k cars.
onthemove
In the interests of balance, this is pretty impressive... Tesla driving without any intervention in some pretty horrible weather conditions...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAnyWcS ... el=AIDRIVR
Though I do wonder how much is down to 'luck' and how much the Tesla is actually adapting to the conditions.
odysseus2000 wrote:I wonder if human driving is about luck too, or to be more scientific, is about the roads and cars being designed to make the probability of not having an accident high and the probability of having an accident low.
Clearly with 10 deaths and/or serious injuries per day in the UK the "high" is not high enough and the "low" is not low enough.
However, if you remove human emotion and human distraction and train the car to behave sensibly you probably make "high" higher and "low" lower without having to have all the other sensors with their higher resolution and cost.
If this thinking is correct then it comes down to questions like, can the AI read "Road Closed" and act appropriately? Can the AI tell the difference between a reflection and a traffic light? These seem tractable problems for AI.
In these terms it seems likely to me that Tesla will soon become much safer than human drivers.
One can argue that if Tesla do become good enough, they will still fail due to other drivers being distracted, driving under the influence of prohibited chemicals etc. This will almost certainly happen, but humans are likely no better at dealing with a driver in such circumstances that is an AI. One then moves to the potential for politicians to outlaw human driving and/or restrict it significantly. There are huge human implications and financial loss from every accident and at some point it may become unacceptable to have human drivers when distraction and emotion free AI is available at low cost.
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