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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby TUK020 » August 9th, 2022, 7:51 am

Itsallaguess wrote:
BobbyD wrote:
odysseus2000 wrote:
If you buy a box of Milk Tray chocolates, do you expect it will be collected by a man who will then put it by a beautiful woman?


Jesus H. Christ


Well he wasn't known for the type of black attire required for that type of advert, but I suppose you could ask him...

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby GoSeigen » August 9th, 2022, 8:16 am

So Ody's position now is that Tesla's claims about the abilities of autodrive are nothing more than exaggerated, fantasy advertising copy. Is that consistent with his past statements or has there been an epiphany?

GS

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » August 9th, 2022, 11:04 am

GoSeigen wrote:So Ody's position now is that Tesla's claims about the abilities of autodrive are nothing more than exaggerated, fantasy advertising copy. Is that consistent with his past statements or has there been an epiphany?

GS


Including the legal disclaimer on the official product video which has been on the official product page for over 5 years. That response is either completely disingenuous or utterly insane.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » August 9th, 2022, 11:56 am

BobbyD wrote:
GoSeigen wrote:So Ody's position now is that Tesla's claims about the abilities of autodrive are nothing more than exaggerated, fantasy advertising copy. Is that consistent with his past statements or has there been an epiphany?

GS


Including the legal disclaimer on the official product video which has been on the official product page for over 5 years. That response is either completely disingenuous or utterly insane.


Still if fsd and ap arw just advertising guff it's a good job that a large part of the justification for tesla's stock price doesnt rest on autonomy....

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » August 9th, 2022, 4:41 pm

There is almost nothing in Tesla stock for autonomy or robot, so two potential big price changers.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby ReformedCharacter » August 9th, 2022, 10:23 pm

A safe-technology advocacy group issued claimed on Tuesday that Tesla’s full self-driving software represents a potentially lethal threat to child pedestrians, the latest in a series of claims and investigations into the technology to hit the world’s leading electric carmaker.

According to a safety test conducted by the Dawn Project, the latest version of Tesla Full Self-Driving (FSD) Beta software repeatedly hit a stationary, child-sized mannequin in its path. The claims that the technology apparently has trouble recognizing children form part of an ad campaign urging the public to pressure Congress to ban Tesla’s auto-driving technology.

In several tests, a professional test driver found that the software – released in June – failed to detect the child-sized figure at an average speed of 25mph and the car then hit the mannequin. The Dawn Project’s founder, Dan O’Dowd, called the results “deeply disturbing.”

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/09/tesla-self-driving-technology-safety-children

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby ReformedCharacter » August 9th, 2022, 10:57 pm

I was just thinking to myself how hard a problem autonomous driving is. I got to wondering how a vehicle would respond to having a carrier bag's worth of recycled shredded paper thrown in front of it. Just a little chaff. A few bin bags of it scattered from a motorway bridge would be even more interesting.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » August 10th, 2022, 1:46 am

Tesla Investigated For Two Motorcyclists Killed In Autopilot Crashes

The NHTSA wants to verify if Autopilot was indeed activated in these two crashes that occurred in darkness, on freeways
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- https://insideevs.com/news/603364/tesla ... way-night/

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby murraypaul » August 10th, 2022, 8:57 am

ReformedCharacter wrote:I was just thinking to myself how hard a problem autonomous driving is.


I think about that on my drive to work.

T-junctions, roundabouts with and without lights, a level crossing, roads that start off with two normal lanes then narrow until two cars could pass, but not a car and a truck. Central lines that appear and disappear. Edge markings that appear and disappear. Roads with crumbling edges. Zebra crossings. Temporary lane closures, roadworks, parked cars.

I just don't think we are even close to a smart car that could navigate these things.

IMO, the future of autonomous driving will be smart roads, not just smart cars.

Our roads and road signage are designed for human drivers. Robot cars need roads designed for robot cars, that can directly communicate the information they need, and mediate between them.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » August 10th, 2022, 10:20 am

Elon Musk has sold $6.9bn (£5.7bn) worth of shares in Tesla after admitting that he could need the funds if he loses a legal battle with Twitter and is forced to buy the social media platform.


- https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... rial-looms

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » August 10th, 2022, 11:48 am

murraypaul wrote:
ReformedCharacter wrote:I was just thinking to myself how hard a problem autonomous driving is.


I think about that on my drive to work.

T-junctions, roundabouts with and without lights, a level crossing, roads that start off with two normal lanes then narrow until two cars could pass, but not a car and a truck. Central lines that appear and disappear. Edge markings that appear and disappear. Roads with crumbling edges. Zebra crossings. Temporary lane closures, roadworks, parked cars.

I just don't think we are even close to a smart car that could navigate these things.

IMO, the future of autonomous driving will be smart roads, not just smart cars.

Our roads and road signage are designed for human drivers. Robot cars need roads designed for robot cars, that can directly communicate the information they need, and mediate between them.


What has been achieved so far is pretty decent, with autonomous vehicles trawling complex city streets on a daily basis virtually without incident. Obviously it makes sense to optimise roads for future autonomy, although in many cases that would result in road markings actually becoming less important, except maybe as a backup. They are there for vision dependent systems, but computers are telepathic. We are probably in the equivalent of the dodgy L2+ zone where the tech is being forced to cooperate with an existing hierarchy which is ill equipped to perform the tasks being left to it. If autonomous can handle anthropocentric road design, then the task will only get easier as road design is modernised and the focus shifts to enhancing the performance of AD's. Ultimately road design will be unencumbered by the limitations of a human driver, and the entire road design will be better optimised for autonomy.

Smart infrastructure will obviously multiply the benefits of AD. An early example was the traffic lights in Vegas which communicated their state and time to next change to Delphi's autonomous cars, something which is now becoming more widespread with compliant units already available in cars on the market today and some pedestrian lights containing a countdown timer. Another obvious opportunity would be motorway gantry speed displays. This is one of the reasons an ideological adherence to vision only is so misguided, it throws away many of the potential improvements which technology can bring to road transport.

This is a two way street with autonomous driving also making smart road management more effective, for example having cars which actually obey dynamic speed limits designed to maintain a constant optimal flow rather than racing each other between traffic jams Throw in car to car communication and you can have pre-negotiated lane merging without reducing both lanes to a crawl, A benefit already available from this technology are systems like those in the latest Golf which will warn you if a suitably equipped Emergency vehicle is approaching, or if there is a similarly equipped stationary car obstructing the road around the next bend.

Now throw in AI oversight to balance traffic volumes across multiple routes...

Parked cars are already, for most developers a solved problem. If Tesla and American highway emergency response units both had 5g beacon compatibility then even they might stop meeting in such awkward circumstances. Every day autonomous cars successfully pass tens of thousands of parked cars. Years ago I watched a lecture by (IIRC) Karl Iagnemma in which he talked about detecting whether or not the rear gate of a parked lorry was open or closed in order to inform the likelihood that it would pull off or that there would be people stepping in to the road. It's worth remembering that the most seen attempt at autonomous is far from the most sophisticated or the most successful.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » August 10th, 2022, 12:25 pm

Update on Semi & Cyber shipping:

https://twitter.com/livesquawk/status/1 ... Y_g9ZjR5rw

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » August 10th, 2022, 12:32 pm

The potential injuries from self driving cars has to be set against the injuries from human driven cars.

In the uk there are about 10 serious injuries or deaths per day on the roads.

Anything that can reduce this will be impossible for the politicians to ban.

Not only is there the human life arguments but substantial insurance & police/ambulance time which is a substantial cost.

The whole idea that posters on here have better ideas than those in the automotive industry is amusing. We need solutions now that cut road injuries, not something for our grandchildren generation.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby GoSeigen » August 10th, 2022, 12:45 pm

BobbyD wrote:
Elon Musk has sold $6.9bn (£5.7bn) worth of shares in Tesla after admitting that he could need the funds if he loses a legal battle with Twitter and is forced to buy the social media platform.


- https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... rial-looms


This is what he said about his share sales at last week's shareholder meeting:

https://mobile.twitter.com/glideoutside/status/1556362624610156545


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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » August 10th, 2022, 12:48 pm

The rational behind the recent Musk sale:

https://twitter.com/smartertrader/statu ... Y_g9ZjR5rw

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » August 10th, 2022, 1:00 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:Update on Semi & Cyber shipping:

https://twitter.com/livesquawk/status/1 ... Y_g9ZjR5rw

Regards,


As the old saying goes 37th time lucky!

This time, more than any other time, this time,
We're going to find a way,
Find a way to get it right,
This time, getting it all together...

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » August 10th, 2022, 1:09 pm

GoSeigen wrote:
BobbyD wrote:
Elon Musk has sold $6.9bn (£5.7bn) worth of shares in Tesla after admitting that he could need the funds if he loses a legal battle with Twitter and is forced to buy the social media platform.


- https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... rial-looms


This is what he said about his share sales at last week's shareholder meeting:

https://mobile.twitter.com/glideoutside/status/1556362624610156545


GS


Tesla might be the one company when 'buy when there's blood on the streets' might be both too literal and bad advice.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby murraypaul » August 10th, 2022, 2:10 pm

BobbyD wrote:What has been achieved so far is pretty decent, with autonomous vehicles trawling complex city streets on a daily basis virtually without incident.


But, while busy, city streets are also somewhat uniform and designed.

Now set it loose on country back roads.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » August 10th, 2022, 3:12 pm

murraypaul wrote:
BobbyD wrote:What has been achieved so far is pretty decent, with autonomous vehicles trawling complex city streets on a daily basis virtually without incident.


But, while busy, city streets are also somewhat uniform and designed.

Now set it loose on country back roads.


Country back roads are actually a far less complex problem, which lend themselves perfectly to technological solutions like car to car communication, and whose kinks will inevitably be designed out over time. In the meantime there are billions of vacancies for autonomous vehicles in cities and on roads which aren't a glorified semi-tarmacked track crammed in to the 4 and a quarter feet between 2 6 foot earth banks. It's going to be a while before the capacity we have is bigger than the suitable use cases, by which time...

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby Itsallaguess » August 10th, 2022, 4:44 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:
The rational behind the recent Musk sale:

https://twitter.com/smartertrader/statu ... Y_g9ZjR5rw


The whole idea that posters on here actually believe what Musk says on Twitter any more is amusing...

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