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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 12th, 2025, 9:59 am


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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 12th, 2025, 7:29 pm

Orange Optimus, thanks to just stop oil:

https://x.com/olilondontv/status/189989 ... DCpgdbFBxg

Interesting if they become domestic terrorists like in the US.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby 88V8 » March 12th, 2025, 8:14 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:Orange Optimus, thanks to just stop oil:
Interesting if they become domestic terrorists like in the US.

They already are.
What they're really about is Just Stop Capitalism.
Their group password is bitethehandthatfeedsus.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby servodude » March 12th, 2025, 8:51 pm

88V8 wrote:
odysseus2000 wrote:Orange Optimus, thanks to just stop oil:
Interesting if they become domestic terrorists like in the US.

They already are.
What they're really about is Just Stop Capitalism.
Their group password is bitethehandthatfeedsus.

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Are they?
Seems like they are protesting "Corporatism" (a merger of state and corporate power) given this is a result to Musk's unelected liaison with the POTUS

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 12th, 2025, 10:00 pm

servodude wrote:
88V8 wrote:They already are.
What they're really about is Just Stop Capitalism.
Their group password is bitethehandthatfeedsus.

V8


Are they?
Seems like they are protesting "Corporatism" (a merger of state and corporate power) given this is a result to Musk's unelected liaison with the POTUS


The US does not have permanent civil servants like the UK. In the US each president appoints his/her choices to advise. Musk is no different to the many advisors to each president.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby servodude » March 12th, 2025, 10:21 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:
servodude wrote:
Are they?
Seems like they are protesting "Corporatism" (a merger of state and corporate power) given this is a result to Musk's unelected liaison with the POTUS


The US does not have permanent civil servants like the UK. In the US each president appoints his/her choices to advise. Musk is no different to the many advisors to each president.

Regards,


I get that the pages of your Musk album are stuck together but "no different to the many advisors to each president"?
Come on..
he's offically the richest man on the planet
he bankrolled Trump's campaign - literally giving money to people that would commit to voting for him
he has been given unfettered access to the inner workings of the USA government which he has free rein to use to his commerical advantage
he has at least 14 kids
he's a Saffer from prominent white supremacist stock
he's a fan of the public Russian salute
...and he's apparently able to rouse some into acts of public disobedience generally reserved for the sandal wearing zero carbonites

"no different"?

please give English the respect it deserves and try using different words

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 12th, 2025, 11:37 pm

servodude wrote:
odysseus2000 wrote:
The US does not have permanent civil servants like the UK. In the US each president appoints his/her choices to advise. Musk is no different to the many advisors to each president.

Regards,


I get that the pages of your Musk album are stuck together but "no different to the many advisors to each president"?
Come on..
he's offically the richest man on the planet
he bankrolled Trump's campaign - literally giving money to people that would commit to voting for him
he has been given unfettered access to the inner workings of the USA government which he has free rein to use to his commerical advantage
he has at least 14 kids
he's a Saffer from prominent white supremacist stock
he's a fan of the public Russian salute
...and he's apparently able to rouse some into acts of public disobedience generally reserved for the sandal wearing zero carbonites

"no different"?

please give English the respect it deserves and try using different words


You are too influenced by the propaganda.

Musk is wealthy, but his net worth is now well down thanks to Tesla stock price fall & there are plenty of other rich folk:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloombe ... ires_Index

He helped Trump, but so did many others, his lotteries required no commitment as to party, only that folk should register to vote.

Biden gave inturns access to the US government workings as do many others in the US system.

Not sure how having 14 kids is relevant

White supremacist stock? He does not identify with the failed policies of de Klerk

Russian salute, like the multitudes of other people who have used the same gestures.

Public disobedience of sandal wearers?

I agree that the concerted propaganda campaign against him has been well organised & well funded, just as he predicted would happen.

Americans voted for Doge & Musk is giving the voters what they voted for, so he is popular with them, but hated by the folk who voted for Harris. Situation normal!

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby servodude » March 12th, 2025, 11:59 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:
servodude wrote:
I get that the pages of your Musk album are stuck together but "no different to the many advisors to each president"?
Come on..
he's offically the richest man on the planet
he bankrolled Trump's campaign - literally giving money to people that would commit to voting for him
he has been given unfettered access to the inner workings of the USA government which he has free rein to use to his commerical advantage
he has at least 14 kids
he's a Saffer from prominent white supremacist stock
he's a fan of the public Russian salute
...and he's apparently able to rouse some into acts of public disobedience generally reserved for the sandal wearing zero carbonites

"no different"?

please give English the respect it deserves and try using different words


You are too influenced by the propaganda.

Musk is wealthy, but his net worth is now well down thanks to Tesla stock price fall & there are plenty of other rich folk:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloombe ... ires_Index

He helped Trump, but so did many others, his lotteries required no commitment as to party, only that folk should register to vote.

Biden gave inturns access to the US government workings as do many others in the US system.

Not sure how having 14 kids is relevant

White supremacist stock? He does not identify with the failed policies of de Klerk

Russian salute, like the multitudes of other people who have used the same gestures.

Public disobedience of sandal wearers?

I agree that the concerted propaganda campaign against him has been well organised & well funded, just as he predicted would happen.

Americans voted for Doge & Musk is giving the voters what they voted for, so he is popular with them, but hated by the folk who voted for Harris. Situation normal!

Regards,


I think Musk's appeal to date in his business exploits (and hence the cult of Tesla) has been a lot down to him being a unique character.. similar to Jobs
- you've indicated as much in your posts here yourself
- and now that isn't the case? he is no different to any other advisor?

perhaps you can give us a short litany of comparable folk.. it could help us understand your conflicting positions

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 13th, 2025, 12:33 am

servodude wrote:
odysseus2000 wrote:
You are too influenced by the propaganda.

Musk is wealthy, but his net worth is now well down thanks to Tesla stock price fall & there are plenty of other rich folk:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloombe ... ires_Index

He helped Trump, but so did many others, his lotteries required no commitment as to party, only that folk should register to vote.

Biden gave inturns access to the US government workings as do many others in the US system.

Not sure how having 14 kids is relevant

White supremacist stock? He does not identify with the failed policies of de Klerk

Russian salute, like the multitudes of other people who have used the same gestures.

Public disobedience of sandal wearers?

I agree that the concerted propaganda campaign against him has been well organised & well funded, just as he predicted would happen.

Americans voted for Doge & Musk is giving the voters what they voted for, so he is popular with them, but hated by the folk who voted for Harris. Situation normal!

Regards,


I think Musk's appeal to date in his business exploits (and hence the cult of Tesla) has been a lot down to him being a unique character.. similar to Jobs
- you've indicated as much in your posts here yourself
- and now that isn't the case? he is no different to any other advisor?

perhaps you can give us a short litany of comparable folk.. it could help us understand your conflicting positions


Musk saw the previous US administration & similar around the world as moving towards an Orwellian hell & decided that stopping this was the most important thing he could do. The evidence for an over powerful & ruthless dictatorial elite are everywhere. From the overt suppression of alternate view points during Covid, the cancelling of unfavourable comments on almost anything by the bureaucracy that had gained immense power in Washington & other cities to force social media to present only their agenda. A situation not unlike how the Nazi gained power in Germany & Big Brother did in Orwells 1984.

He is guided by wanting to achieve the best possible outcome for humanity, not for self worth as is the case for most others. He found in Trump someone who would fight the Orwellian future with a similar passion to his own & so has done what he can to help Trump. He has done this knowing that it would expose him & his interests to relentless attacks & these would make share holders in his companies less wealthy, but he saw these things as the least worst. Additionally he knows that he is now a target for the many deranged gun toting maniacs & accepts that he may be killed by one of these folk or by ruthless folk in the opposition parties. Very few of us would put our life on the line for a political cause, but he has.

If what Musk has fought for comes to pass it is likely that he will be regarded with similar reverence as the drafters of the Declaration of Independence in 1776 & will be seen as a hero of the US.

What ever happens he has already shown him self to be one of the greatest entrepreneurs to have lived & has pushed forward reuseable rockets, electric cars, storage, neura link, AI etc like no one ever before and has inspired great loyalty in the people who work for him and invest in his business.

If one subtracts what he has achieved, the 21st century woukd look a far more dismal place run by a serious of unelected bureaucrats of the kind Orwell warmed against.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby CliffEdge » March 13th, 2025, 9:46 am

odysseus2000 wrote:
servodude wrote:
I think Musk's appeal to date in his business exploits (and hence the cult of Tesla) has been a lot down to him being a unique character.. similar to Jobs
- you've indicated as much in your posts here yourself
- and now that isn't the case? he is no different to any other advisor?

perhaps you can give us a short litany of comparable folk.. it could help us understand your conflicting positions


Musk saw the previous US administration & similar around the world as moving towards an Orwellian hell & decided that stopping this was the most important thing he could do. The evidence for an over powerful & ruthless dictatorial elite are everywhere. From the overt suppression of alternate view points during Covid, the cancelling of unfavourable comments on almost anything by the bureaucracy that had gained immense power in Washington & other cities to force social media to present only their agenda. A situation not unlike how the Nazi gained power in Germany & Big Brother did in Orwells 1984.

He is guided by wanting to achieve the best possible outcome for humanity, not for self worth as is the case for most others. He found in Trump someone who would fight the Orwellian future with a similar passion to his own & so has done what he can to help Trump. He has done this knowing that it would expose him & his interests to relentless attacks & these would make share holders in his companies less wealthy, but he saw these things as the least worst. Additionally he knows that he is now a target for the many deranged gun toting maniacs & accepts that he may be killed by one of these folk or by ruthless folk in the opposition parties. Very few of us would put our life on the line for a political cause, but he has.

If what Musk has fought for comes to pass it is likely that he will be regarded with similar reverence as the drafters of the Declaration of Independence in 1776 & will be seen as a hero of the US.

What ever happens he has already shown him self to be one of the greatest entrepreneurs to have lived & has pushed forward reuseable rockets, electric cars, storage, neura link, AI etc like no one ever before and has inspired great loyalty in the people who work for him and invest in his business.

If one subtracts what he has achieved, the 21st century woukd look a far more dismal place run by a serious of unelected bureaucrats of the kind Orwell warmed against.

Regards,

Wow! Not often I'm completely astounded by a post.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby servodude » March 13th, 2025, 10:00 am

CliffEdge wrote:
odysseus2000 wrote:
Musk saw the previous US administration & similar around the world as moving towards an Orwellian hell & decided that stopping this was the most important thing he could do. The evidence for an over powerful & ruthless dictatorial elite are everywhere. From the overt suppression of alternate view points during Covid, the cancelling of unfavourable comments on almost anything by the bureaucracy that had gained immense power in Washington & other cities to force social media to present only their agenda. A situation not unlike how the Nazi gained power in Germany & Big Brother did in Orwells 1984.

He is guided by wanting to achieve the best possible outcome for humanity, not for self worth as is the case for most others. He found in Trump someone who would fight the Orwellian future with a similar passion to his own & so has done what he can to help Trump. He has done this knowing that it would expose him & his interests to relentless attacks & these would make share holders in his companies less wealthy, but he saw these things as the least worst. Additionally he knows that he is now a target for the many deranged gun toting maniacs & accepts that he may be killed by one of these folk or by ruthless folk in the opposition parties. Very few of us would put our life on the line for a political cause, but he has.

If what Musk has fought for comes to pass it is likely that he will be regarded with similar reverence as the drafters of the Declaration of Independence in 1776 & will be seen as a hero of the US.

What ever happens he has already shown him self to be one of the greatest entrepreneurs to have lived & has pushed forward reuseable rockets, electric cars, storage, neura link, AI etc like no one ever before and has inspired great loyalty in the people who work for him and invest in his business.

If one subtracts what he has achieved, the 21st century woukd look a far more dismal place run by a serious of unelected bureaucrats of the kind Orwell warmed against.

Regards,

Wow! Not often I'm completely astounded by a post.


Told you the album pages were stuck together!? :D
The weird projection to suggest others have swallowed the propaganda suggests not all is working properly
- I suppose the UFO stuff should have been a clue

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 13th, 2025, 10:26 am

Chinese do a comparison between Tesla FSD & their own systems:

https://x.com/ray4tesla/status/19000496 ... DCpgdbFBxg

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 13th, 2025, 10:31 am

Born under a dictator compared to living under President Trump:

https://x.com/theexecutloner_/status/18 ... DCpgdbFBxg

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Postby XFool » March 13th, 2025, 10:34 am

odysseus2000 wrote:Born under a dictator compared to living under President Trump:

https://x.com/theexecutloner_/status/18 ... DCpgdbFBxg

Wish I could read that! :lol:

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby 88V8 » March 13th, 2025, 10:47 am

XFool wrote:
odysseus2000 wrote:Born under a dictator compared to living under President Trump:

https://x.com/theexecutloner_/status/18 ... DCpgdbFBxg

Wish I could read that! :lol:

Your wish is granted....

This woman is from Cuba. She finds it hilarious that people are criticizing her telling her she voted for a dictator:

“Imagine telling someone who was born in a dictatorship that Donald Trump is a dictator…If anyone was born in a dictatorship, or gone through a dictatorship, hears what you’re saying or sees what you’re saying, I guarantee they are cracking up right now. …..the privileged Americans have no idea, they’re cosplaying oppression and they don’t even know the first thing about being oppressed.”

Cosplaying oppression, that is a perfect description. We hear all the time that liberals are going to move to another country because of Trump the dictator. Move and go see what it is like to be really oppressed. Your contempt for one man is blinding you. Wake up.


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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby servodude » March 13th, 2025, 11:17 am

88V8 wrote:
XFool wrote:Wish I could read that! :lol:

Your wish is granted....

This woman is from Cuba. She finds it hilarious that people are criticizing her telling her she voted for a dictator:

“Imagine telling someone who was born in a dictatorship that Donald Trump is a dictator…If anyone was born in a dictatorship, or gone through a dictatorship, hears what you’re saying or sees what you’re saying, I guarantee they are cracking up right now. …..the privileged Americans have no idea, they’re cosplaying oppression and they don’t even know the first thing about being oppressed.”

Cosplaying oppression, that is a perfect description. We hear all the time that liberals are going to move to another country because of Trump the dictator. Move and go see what it is like to be really oppressed. Your contempt for one man is blinding you. Wake up.


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Where did this Trump being "a dictator on day one" idea come from?
Seems like a bunch of nonsense some idiot might have come up with

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby XFool » March 13th, 2025, 11:23 am

88V8 wrote:
XFool wrote:Wish I could read that! :lol:

Your wish is granted....

This woman is from Cuba. She finds it hilarious that people are criticizing her telling her she voted for a dictator:

“Imagine telling someone who was born in a dictatorship that Donald Trump is a dictator…If anyone was born in a dictatorship, or gone through a dictatorship, hears what you’re saying or sees what you’re saying, I guarantee they are cracking up right now. …..the privileged Americans have no idea, they’re cosplaying oppression and they don’t even know the first thing about being oppressed.”

Cosplaying oppression, that is a perfect description. We hear all the time that liberals are going to move to another country because of Trump the dictator. Move and go see what it is like to be really oppressed. Your contempt for one man is blinding you. Wake up.

Thanks!

Not as interesting as one might have supposed, just more 'Own the Libtards' stuff? Seems then I'm not really missing much on X. :)

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 13th, 2025, 12:26 pm

XFool wrote:
88V8 wrote:Your wish is granted....

This woman is from Cuba. She finds it hilarious that people are criticizing her telling her she voted for a dictator:

“Imagine telling someone who was born in a dictatorship that Donald Trump is a dictator…If anyone was born in a dictatorship, or gone through a dictatorship, hears what you’re saying or sees what you’re saying, I guarantee they are cracking up right now. …..the privileged Americans have no idea, they’re cosplaying oppression and they don’t even know the first thing about being oppressed.”

Cosplaying oppression, that is a perfect description. We hear all the time that liberals are going to move to another country because of Trump the dictator. Move and go see what it is like to be really oppressed. Your contempt for one man is blinding you. Wake up.

Thanks!

Not as interesting as one might have supposed, just more 'Own the Libtards' stuff? Seems then I'm not really missing much on X. :)


It is entirely personal choice whether one looks at X or any other media that you want.

It is also entirely personal choice as to whether you believe without questioning what ever information source that you consume.

There is imho some merit in the barrister training that one should know what the opposing ideas & concepts to your own are at least as well as you know the ideas & concepts that you believe.

In my case I deliberately seek out ideas hostile to mine to see if I am missing things or have some of my ideas wrong. Churchill for example studied Mein Kampf & found his own views strengthen rather than those put out by Hitler and in the process understood what the fascist were aiming for which he opposed.

In essence free speech is about people being able to express views that are hostile to one’s own, a state of affairs that totalitarian states dislike & suppress. On X you will find extremely polarizing & orthogonal views on everything as one expects for a free speech platform, rather than a propaganda view of events as one gets in all legacy media.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 13th, 2025, 12:29 pm

Some entity in the UK is attacking Musk with these bill board adverts:

https://x.com/stillgray/status/18999775 ... DCpgdbFBxg

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Postby XFool » March 13th, 2025, 12:33 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:In essence free speech is about people being able to express views that are hostile to one’s own, a state of affairs that totalitarian states dislike & suppress. On X you will find extremely polarizing & orthogonal views on everything as one expects for a free speech platform, rather than a propaganda view of events as one gets in all legacy media.

So how come the "legacy media" is, IYO, all about "a propaganda view of events" but seemingly X isn't? And how do you tell what is propaganda and what isn't? And what indeed is the difference, as with legacy media you can get opposing views there too?


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