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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » August 12th, 2021, 1:25 pm

TUK020 wrote:FT article today:
Electric vehicle sales surge in China as Tesla demand tumbles
https://www.ft.com/content/a778224b-83d ... db80e577a3

Not so hot news for Tesla in the world's biggest EV market


Tesla have recognised that Chinese demand for BeV is very high, but that there are many lower cost offering than from Tesla. This is one reason for the development, not yet announced, of a Tesla model 2 aimed at a $25k price and in the mean time, the focusing of the Tesla China plant on supplying the rest of the world. The decline in China sales being roughly matched by the rise in exported models.

Overall this is roughly neutral for China and also a blessing that they can still sell cars to Germany and other European nations, despite the delayed opening of Giga Berlin.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » August 12th, 2021, 3:46 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:Tesla have recognised that Chinese demand for BeV is very high, but that there are many lower cost offering than from Tesla. This is one reason for the development, not yet announced, of a Tesla model 2 aimed at a $25k price and in the mean time, the focusing of the Tesla China plant on supplying the rest of the world.


(Pocket-lint) - Tesla's shareholder presentations are often pretty lively affairs, with Elon Musk more than a little prone to announcing things that won't be happening for years, and designs that set social media alight with debate.

The latest presentation was a little more subdued, not least because the audience of shareholders was watching from a fleet of Tesla Model 3s in order to maintain social distancing.

However, a few standout announcements still made waves, including some new battery tech. However, the most impactful for most actual motorists came in the form of a stated ambition from Musk to get Tesla making a $25,000 (£19,600) car in the next three years or so.


- https://www.pocket-lint.com/cars/news/t ... ar-battery

So somewhere around 2058 then? Or maybe it's just more vaporware for a company which announces new models but can't actually produce them!

Tesla Roadster to return in 2014

Tesla's little electric sports car that could is set to resume production in 2014. Back in August the company ended production of the Roadster to switch their focus entirely to the newer Model S sedan. However, in an interview with British motor magazine Autocar, CEO Elon Musk revealed that the Roadster is set to return without the original's Lotus chassis.


- https://www.theverge.com/2011/10/31/252 ... lable-2014

As of the time of typing that was 9 years 9 months 11 days 18 hours and 38 minutes ago!!!

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby redsturgeon » August 12th, 2021, 6:43 pm

Just thinking about Tesla's truck* that was announced some time ago, has it been scrapped? Haven't heard anything about it for a while.

John

*I was thinking about the big lorry thing rather than the pick up.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby TUK020 » August 12th, 2021, 6:46 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:
TUK020 wrote:FT article today:
Electric vehicle sales surge in China as Tesla demand tumbles
https://www.ft.com/content/a778224b-83d ... db80e577a3

Not so hot news for Tesla in the world's biggest EV market


Tesla have recognised that Chinese demand for BeV is very high, but that there are many lower cost offering than from Tesla. This is one reason for the development, not yet announced, of a Tesla model 2 aimed at a $25k price and in the mean time, the focusing of the Tesla China plant on supplying the rest of the world. The decline in China sales being roughly matched by the rise in exported models.

Overall this is roughly neutral for China and also a blessing that they can still sell cars to Germany and other European nations, despite the delayed opening of Giga Berlin.

Regards,

You're right.
I should realise that worrying about minor details like collapsing market share in the world's biggest market is thinking like infantry.
I should think like a general, and remember that Elon's is big and swinging, so therefore the answer is Tesla.
What was the question again?
:D

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » August 12th, 2021, 9:58 pm

redsturgeon wrote:Just thinking about Tesla's truck* that was announced some time ago, has it been scrapped? Haven't heard anything about it for a while.

John

*I was thinking about the big lorry thing rather than the pick up.


You mean the 2020 Tesla Semi? Hold your horses, we haven't even got to 2017 and Tesla's ground-breaking coast to coast autonomous trip yet!

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » August 12th, 2021, 10:27 pm

You know how Tesla aren't touched by the chip shortage because of their deep vertical integration and cat like reflexes? It's all the fault of Renesas and Bosch apparently...

As publicly disclosed, we are operating under extreme supply chain limitations regarding certain “standard” automotive chips.

Most problematic by far are Renesas & Bosch.


- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1425765210007216134

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » August 13th, 2021, 11:17 am

Kind of looks like an hyper loop to me:

https://twitter.com/euronewsnext/status ... 94535?s=20

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » August 13th, 2021, 11:18 am

BobbyD wrote:You know how Tesla aren't touched by the chip shortage because of their deep vertical integration and cat like reflexes? It's all the fault of Renesas and Bosch apparently...

As publicly disclosed, we are operating under extreme supply chain limitations regarding certain “standard” automotive chips.

Most problematic by far are Renesas & Bosch.


- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1425765210007216134


Interesting how German regulators are slowing down Tesla and now Germany companies are making some parts difficult to obtain. Could it be that German companies feel that Tesla are a threat to their existence?

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby Howard » August 13th, 2021, 11:38 am

odysseus2000 wrote:
BobbyD wrote:You know how Tesla aren't touched by the chip shortage because of their deep vertical integration and cat like reflexes? It's all the fault of Renesas and Bosch apparently...

As publicly disclosed, we are operating under extreme supply chain limitations regarding certain “standard” automotive chips.

Most problematic by far are Renesas & Bosch.


- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1425765210007216134


Interesting how German regulators are slowing down Tesla and now Germany companies are making some parts difficult to obtain. Could it be that German companies feel that Tesla are a threat to their existence?

Regards,


A year or two ago when VW were in the process of launching the ID3 I remember claims on this thread that a major Tesla strength vs VW was that Tesla didn't rely on other component manufacturers but made virtually every electronic component themselves.

Another myth exposed?

We now know another "fact". Tesla relies on high quality German technology for key components. ;)

regards

Howard

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » August 13th, 2021, 1:11 pm

Howard wrote:
odysseus2000 wrote:
BobbyD wrote:You know how Tesla aren't touched by the chip shortage because of their deep vertical integration and cat like reflexes? It's all the fault of Renesas and Bosch apparently...



- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1425765210007216134


Interesting how German regulators are slowing down Tesla and now Germany companies are making some parts difficult to obtain. Could it be that German companies feel that Tesla are a threat to their existence?

Regards,


A year or two ago when VW were in the process of launching the ID3 I remember claims on this thread that a major Tesla strength vs VW was that Tesla didn't rely on other component manufacturers but made virtually every electronic component themselves.

Another myth exposed?

We now know another "fact". Tesla relies on high quality German technology for key components. ;)

regards

Howard


As cited earlier Tesla is vertically integrated in many things and has considered building a semi fab factory to relieve one area where Tesla relies on other business. The issue was the cost of the factory and the belief that there was enough diversity in the existing fab factories to prevent monopolistic non supply. However, these considerations did not consider Covid and now the lack of a fab factory is beginning to look like an Achilles heel that they may have to address by building their own semi fab factory.

Note also that many in the manufacturing business have tried to ring alarms over the US dependence on Taiwan semi fab and that if Taiwan was occupied by the People's Republic of China that a major part of the US defence business would be compromised.

It seems a racing certainty to me that new US based semi fab factories will be considered and perhaps built.

For Tesla this would cut the dependence on various other suppliers and allow them to develop a 48 volt or similar internal architecture for their vehicles allowing a reduction in conductor mass of approximately four; electrical power is current x voltage, so quadruple the voltage and one can in principle cut wire mass by one quarter although in practice one can't do that well, one can dramatically improve over a 12 volt system, reducing vehicle weight and increasing performance and range.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » August 13th, 2021, 4:47 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:
BobbyD wrote:You know how Tesla aren't touched by the chip shortage because of their deep vertical integration and cat like reflexes? It's all the fault of Renesas and Bosch apparently...

As publicly disclosed, we are operating under extreme supply chain limitations regarding certain “standard” automotive chips.

Most problematic by far are Renesas & Bosch.


- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1425765210007216134


Interesting how German regulators are slowing down Tesla and now Germany companies are making some parts difficult to obtain. Could it be that German companies feel that Tesla are a threat to their existence?

Regards,


Kind of interesting how German authorities haven't approved planning applications which were only resubmitted recently, and companies potentially favour clients who buy in volume rather than those who buy boutique volumes during supply disruptions. Significant volume, significant relationship, it's the legacy advantage.

Howard wrote:
odysseus2000 wrote:
BobbyD wrote:You know how Tesla aren't touched by the chip shortage because of their deep vertical integration and cat like reflexes? It's all the fault of Renesas and Bosch apparently...



- https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1425765210007216134


Interesting how German regulators are slowing down Tesla and now Germany companies are making some parts difficult to obtain. Could it be that German companies feel that Tesla are a threat to their existence?

Regards,


A year or two ago when VW were in the process of launching the ID3 I remember claims on this thread that a major Tesla strength vs VW was that Tesla didn't rely on other component manufacturers but made virtually every electronic component themselves.

Another myth exposed?

We now know another "fact". Tesla relies on high quality German technology for key components. ;)

regards

Howard


Does it remind you of any other conversation we've had on this thread? How about Tesla's inherent advantage is that they manufacture their own batteries, and so while VW and their ilk will be held hostage by big battery Tesla is the master of its own destiny? Remember the jeers and laughter from the peanut gallery when VW were signing tens of billions of euros worth of battery contracts? What was it Gigafactory was supposed to produce, 150 GWh? What has it actually produced? Now Tesla has battery contracts with all and sundry, panasonic have announced that they are leaching profit out of 'Tesla's' gigafactory, VW own substantial slices of battery co's on three continents and every other car builder with a wish to make it to 2040 is in the process of building their own gigafactories, and Tesla has new 'plans' for yet bigger volumes of batteries out of more future plants...

Tesla master of announcements, delivery not included.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » August 13th, 2021, 6:31 pm

BobbyD
Tesla master of announcements, delivery not included.


Nearly 500k cars last year, likely substantially more this year, delivery included!

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » August 13th, 2021, 6:53 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:
BobbyD
Tesla master of announcements, delivery not included.


Nearly 500k cars last year, likely substantially more this year, delivery included!

Regards,


More plans which never came to fruition...

During Tesla's first-quarter earnings call in 2017, Musk said it was "quite likely" Tesla would make 1 million vehicles "or maybe more" in 2020.


- https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-mu ... ?r=US&IR=T

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby redsturgeon » August 13th, 2021, 10:15 pm

I followed a black Tesla model 3 today, 21 plate, it looked quite smart from the back, panel gaps looked good, paint looked fine, shame about the fogged up rear light cluster. He indicated right, I guess he was turning into the Tesla dealer to get it fixed. I can't remember seeing condensation inside a light cluster of a brand new car before.

John

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » August 13th, 2021, 10:20 pm

For those who think 0-60 and drag racing 1/4 miles are of any importance:

Rimac announced Friday that its Nevera electric supercar has set a quarter-mile record for production cars, at 8.582 seconds, with a top speed of 167.51 mph.

...Rimac has also said the Nevera will do 0-60 mph in 1.85 seconds, and reach a 258-mph top speed. DragTimes measured track 0-60-mph acceleration during the record attempt, with a best result of 1.9 seconds.


- https://www.motorauthority.com/news/113 ... 7.51%20mph.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJKLJltnPQA&t=2s

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » August 16th, 2021, 2:56 pm

Interesting how most auto stocks dipped in early US trading today. I am not sure what is causing this, rotation into hot sectors or some news that is taken as universally bad for autos. Could be setting up a buying opportunity:

https://twitter.com/0_ody/status/142726 ... 73668?s=20

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby Hallucigenia » August 16th, 2021, 3:01 pm

Presumably the US regulators investigating Tesla Autopilot :

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos- ... 021-08-16/

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » August 16th, 2021, 3:04 pm

Hallucigenia wrote:Presumably the US regulators investigating Tesla Autopilot :

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos- ... 021-08-16/


This gaps down all auto companies all over the planet?

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby Hallucigenia » August 16th, 2021, 3:18 pm

You said yourself - "in early US trading", the people selling are in the US.

And given that many car companies, not just Tesla, have been hyping up the benefits of self-driving and to an extent been rerated as tech companies rather than industrials on the back of it, it's perhaps not surprising to see a bit of that rerating reversed when there is a significant challenge in a major market, to one of the leaders in self-driving.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby TheMotorcycleBoy » August 16th, 2021, 3:35 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:
Hallucigenia wrote:Presumably the US regulators investigating Tesla Autopilot :

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos- ... 021-08-16/


This gaps down all auto companies all over the planet?

Regards,

PS. Anyhow nice to hear from a regular of the now defunct fool.co.uk

TBF

TSLA down about 5.4% whereas ford only about 1%. So some auto cos are less equal than others today, I guess.


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