The Lemon Fool

dealtn
So you think the market share numbers for ICE and non-ICE are wrong, or that the majority of people are deliberately buying something (ICE) they don't want?

Your response instead seems to be saying those minority of car buyers that choose a non-ICE product are happy with their choice. That may well be true (I don't know). But that isn't the same logical statement as non-ICE buyers are "most customers", as you referred to above, in the market for cars.

If you are a drinks manufacturer and more people buy beer than wine, you can legitimately solely produce and sell wine successfully, and ignore beer. You can't really though make the claim most customers don't want beer.

odysseus2000 wrote:The are not that many BEV available for consumers to buy, but the rate of growth of sales of BEV compared to the rate of decline of sales of pure ICE engines especially diesels tells what the inherent consumer interests are.

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dealtn wrote:So you think the market share numbers for ICE and non-ICE are wrong, or that the majority of people are deliberately buying something (ICE) they don't want?

Your response instead seems to be saying those minority of car buyers that choose a non-ICE product are happy with their choice. That may well be true (I don't know). But that isn't the same logical statement as non-ICE buyers are "most customers", as you referred to above, in the market for cars.

swill453 wrote:An article in the New York Times about Elon Musk over-promising the driverless capabilities of Tesla cars https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/06/tech ... -musk.html

Scott.

Rate of growth from near zero is bound to be high. Have you noticed that the prices of used ICE cars has been rising? For many people a BEV is an impracticable choice

TJH

SAN FRANCISCO/WASHINGTON, Dec 6 (Reuters) - The U.S. securities regulator has opened an investigation into Tesla Inc (TSLA.O) over a whistleblower complaint that the company failed to properly notify its shareholders and the public of fire risks associated with solar panel system defects over several years, according to a letter from the agency.

The probe raises regulatory pressure on the world's most valuable automaker, which already faces a federal safety probe into accidents involving its driver assistant systems. Concerns about fires from Tesla solar systems have been published previously, but this is the first report of investigation by the securities regulator.

The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission disclosed the Tesla probe in response to a Freedom of Information Act request by Steven Henkes, a former Tesla field quality manager, who filed a whistleblower complaint on the solar systems in 2019 and asked the agency for information about the report.

"We have confirmed with Division of Enforcement staff that the investigation from which you seek records is still active and ongoing," the SEC said in a Sept. 24 response to Henkes, declining his request to provide its records. The SEC official said the letter should not be taken as an indication by the agency that violations of law had occurred. Reuters independently confirmed the SEC letter was legitimate.

odysseus2000 wrote:The price of everything is rising.

For one of the few times in history, popular recent model used cars are selling for more than what the owner paid when it was new.

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tjh290633 wrote:

odysseus2000 wrote:The price of everything is rising.

For one of the few times in history, popular recent model used cars are selling for more than what the owner paid when it was new.

Regards,

I see that in 1978 I sold a car, bought from my employer 18 months previously, for about 50% more than I paid for it.

Most of my cars have been held for far longer periods, so that was the only one.

TJH

Howard wrote:One advantage of a Tesla I observed this week (although in a distressing situation). A local resident had their Tesla window smashed and stuff stolen from inside the car. The Tesla cameras took pictures of the thief which have been published locally and supplied to the police.

It was rather odd viewing the photos. The smartly dressed thief must have been completely unaware he was being recorded. The car took clear pictures of him standing next to it and even one of him pulling stuff out of the car.

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Howard

odysseus2000 wrote:

Howard wrote:One advantage of a Tesla I observed this week (although in a distressing situation). A local resident had their Tesla window smashed and stuff stolen from inside the car. The Tesla cameras took pictures of the thief which have been published locally and supplied to the police. .......

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Howard

It is kind of interesting how cameras in Tesla seem to be able to give good resolution images whereas much of the CCD camera footage I see makes it near impossible to determine the identity of the person photographed. ...........

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odysseus2000 wrote:Elon Musk named Time-Magazine person of the year:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -Year.html

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