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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 15th, 2021, 1:17 pm

Is the Citroen Ami EV a car? I think it's a quadricycle.

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Yes, it is and can be driven by I believe a 14 year old in France, but it is low cost and apparently loved by French folk who live in cities.

It is limited to 45 kph which seems fast enough for many cities

Whether this catches on in a big way remains to be seen.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby Howard » October 15th, 2021, 2:40 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:
Is the Citroen Ami EV a car? I think it's a quadricycle.

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Howard


Yes, it is and can be driven by I believe a 14 year old in France, but it is low cost and apparently loved by French folk who live in cities.

It is limited to 45 kph which seems fast enough for many cities

Whether this catches on in a big way remains to be seen.

Arthur


So, Arthur? :? we agree it's not a car?

It is a quadricycle.

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https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/citroen/3 ... n-light-uk

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 15th, 2021, 2:57 pm

It is a quadricycle.

regards

Howard

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/citroen/3 ... n-light-uk


Yes, we agree.

The big question, at least to me, is will this kind of transport catch on as two seat transportation in a city environment. The price is still relatively high compared to some of the Chinese variants who offer much more practical vehicles for $6k.

There have been many previous attempts, Twingo from Renault, the numerous offering from Reliant, originally in 3 wheel variants, etc etc. So far none of these caught on but with a new emphasis on environmentally friendly transport, even Her Majesty has commented on the environment, will a low cost BEV such as the AMI become the cult transportation for city dwellers?

Clearly this is a market that Tesla do not address and I can not see, short of robo taxi, a change in many people car preferences, but many things are changing and perhaps these low cost small and potentially disposable via recycle vehicles may catch on. One drove around Mars for a long time so it is clearly possible to make them with good reliability.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » October 15th, 2021, 7:26 pm


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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby Howard » October 15th, 2021, 8:42 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:
Regarding crash worthiness, as so often you have not researched the quality of Chinese models. Citron have already introduced a $6k car to France and it is selling well, meeting all the European crash regulations etc. Why won't the other legacy do this?

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Ody,

The Citroen Ami doesn't meet "all the European crash registrations". It's not made in China (as you have found out). And it's not a car. Like you, I think it's a lemon. ;)

J'Accuse!

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » October 15th, 2021, 10:23 pm

Tesla Cybertruck Page Updated... With Removal Of Specs And Price


- https://insideevs.com/news/540929/tesla ... e-removed/

Well that bodes well, right?

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 18th, 2021, 2:18 pm

This is quite amusing for its cluelessness:

https://youtu.be/pPc_64Yf1cM

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Postby BobbyD » October 19th, 2021, 3:05 am

Tesla drops claim that solar roof tiles are ‘3x stronger than standard tiles’


- https://electrek.co/2021/10/18/tesla-dr ... -stronger/

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby ReformedCharacter » October 20th, 2021, 1:27 pm

Elon Musk, the world’s richest person, with an estimated $241bn fortune, could become the first trillionaire, an investment bank has predicted. Analysts at Morgan Stanley forecast that Musk, who has made most of his wealth from the electric car company Tesla, could make much more money from his fledgling space exploration business SpaceX. The analyst Adam Jones said the company, founded in 2002, was “challenging any preconceived notion of what was possible and the timeframe possible, in terms of rockets, launch vehicles and supporting infrastructure”...“As one client put it, ‘talking about space before Starship is like talking about the internet before Google.’”

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/20/spacex-could-make-elon-musk-world-first-trillionaire-says-morgan-stanley

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 20th, 2021, 8:15 pm

Munro answers various questions in this video and describes his career path from early years to where he is now (23.02):

https://youtu.be/vTbRvolzXzE

His experience in all branches of engineering and production is remarkable.

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 20th, 2021, 8:32 pm

Interesting critique of Blue Origin (22:53):

https://youtu.be/ueRpJOk-kNk

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 20th, 2021, 9:31 pm


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Postby odysseus2000 » October 20th, 2021, 11:36 pm

Interesting q3 q/a sans Elon Musk.

The accounts were more or less as expected.

The executive officers gave a very clear and longer q/a than was normal with the CEO present.

Everything came over as smooth and business like with nothing surprising or contentious and both presenters were tight and focused with no wandering away from the question.

Whether this is enough to support the current share price is far from clear to me.

As of now the share price is down less than 1%.

Knife to throat I think that money may move from Tesla to hotter equities.

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 21st, 2021, 12:34 am

Munroe goes Ape on safety investigation of Tesla:

https://youtu.be/KQATlYrOoLU

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 21st, 2021, 8:36 pm

This is an excellent summary of the Chinese EV makers with a specific focus on self driving. There are several companies heavily into selfs driving and what they are offering looks super impressive with several claiming to have level 4 or level 5. How reliable these figures are I do not know. Several are using Lidar, some with $1000 systems, others with much cheaper Lidar. If all of this is legit, then Tesla may lose the race to become the worlds first supplier of robo-taxis.

The narrator has a very unique accent that troubled me at the beginning, but I soon was so interested in what she was saying that I paid full attention to the content which is clearly the result of intense work and imho is the best summary I have seen of the state of Chinese self driving cars (18mins 56sec):

https://youtu.be/pYrwBQ-rrRo

I am still trying to get what the video told me into perspective but as of now, several of these Chinese marques are at least comparable with Tesla self drive, some possibly ahead.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » October 22nd, 2021, 1:44 am

Does anywhere offer odds on Tesla meeting timeliness? I'd be as rich as Musk if they did.


Tesla Giga Berlin Launch Delayed, Sales No Earlier Than In 2022



https://insideevs.com/news/542303/tesla ... yed-again/

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 22nd, 2021, 11:21 am

BobbyD wrote:Does anywhere offer odds on Tesla meeting timeliness? I'd be as rich as Musk if they did.


Tesla Giga Berlin Launch Delayed, Sales No Earlier Than In 2022



https://insideevs.com/news/542303/tesla ... yed-again/


As I understand the latest delay is because the mandatory consultation process was not done properly and has to restart in early November and run till around the last week of November. Until this process has been completed which include post consultation discussions Tesla can not go into production. One can argue that Tesla should have seen this coming, or that Tesla entered into the process with good faith and they have been treated badly by the bureaucracy or if your into conspiracy, the local politicians have done this deliberately to damage Tesla.

However, you swing this it does appear to be a fault not of Tesla but of the Germany system. Unless others know things that I do not.

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Postby dealtn » October 22nd, 2021, 11:39 am

odysseus2000 wrote:
BobbyD wrote:Does anywhere offer odds on Tesla meeting timeliness? I'd be as rich as Musk if they did.


Tesla Giga Berlin Launch Delayed, Sales No Earlier Than In 2022



https://insideevs.com/news/542303/tesla ... yed-again/


As I understand the latest delay is because the mandatory consultation process was not done properly and has to restart in early November and run till around the last week of November. Until this process has been completed which include post consultation discussions Tesla can not go into production. One can argue that Tesla should have seen this coming, or that Tesla entered into the process with good faith and they have been treated badly by the bureaucracy or if your into conspiracy, the local politicians have done this deliberately to damage Tesla.

However, you swing this it does appear to be a fault not of Tesla but of the Germany system. Unless others know things that I do not.

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Well it must depend on what you refer to as "it" surely.

The fault on making what turn out to be incorrect claims on when the site's readiness, launch, and production take place can't be laid at the door of others can it, even if the reasons for its delay can?

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Postby BobbyD » October 22nd, 2021, 11:58 am

Elon Musk flew to Berlin to woo the locals. He failed


- https://www.wired.co.uk/article/tesla-b ... ry-opening

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Postby BobbyD » October 22nd, 2021, 12:01 pm

dealtn wrote:Well it must depend on what you refer to as "it" surely.

The fault on making what turn out to be incorrect claims on when the site's readiness, launch, and production take place can't be laid at the door of others can it, even if the reasons for its delay can?


It's a good job somebody with Musk's somewhat limited ability to assess risk isn't involved in this Autonomous Driving malarky!


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