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The Timing of Fundamental Executions
Posted: July 19th, 2019, 1:37 pm
by SentimentRules
No interest in talking to myself here. If somebody brings up a stock let's look at both reasonings.
If anyone has a fundamental reason to buy something bring it to this thread. Let's combine it with technical and have a look at best timing to execute for true value. Be a bit of fun if nothing else.
Re: The Timing of Fundamental Executions
Posted: July 19th, 2019, 2:28 pm
by SentimentRules
Kier group.
I'm absolutely dumbfounded to read in other forums, investors buying this. In July to date, this stock is currently showing as the highest increase in short positions. Up 2.32% so far, aggregate 11.95% .
Any price rise now a shorters dream.
And yet they somehow managed to find fundamentals to justify a buy over the last 5-10 days
I just cant comprehend the thinking. But i write it here now because if it does rally 20% I want to remind myself to look back and wonder why it didn't drop another 20% as I expect initially from today's price 're 76p
Re: Last Call - Shorting
Posted: July 19th, 2019, 6:37 pm
by AsleepInYorkshire
simoan wrote:Can I please ask what this thread is doing in "Share Ideas"? It is not about a specific company at all. Please could this be moved to some more appropriate forum, preferably the far reaches of outer space... Si
Hi simoan,
May I apologise please. I am probably partly guilty of spoiling your enjoyment of TLF and that's not why I am here. I responded to the op without really looking at where the thread had been started. I am a little lazy in that aspect and will endeavour in future to think more about where posts belong.
Again my sincere apologies
All the best
AiY
Re: The Timing of Fundamental Executions
Posted: July 19th, 2019, 7:25 pm
by monabri
I'll be surprised if it survives.
Re: The Timing of Fundamental Executions
Posted: July 19th, 2019, 7:41 pm
by TUK020
This sounds like a possible short term trading opportunity, not an investment strategy.
Re: Last Call - Shorting
Posted: July 23rd, 2019, 6:22 am
by TheMotorcycleBoy
SentimentRules wrote:A lot of people don't like discussing shorts on other forums. To be honest I've been banned for it. But I think the reason is that those forums were also brokers. Most people buy so I guess they feel it can affect transactions. I think this forum will have no bias.
I'm not sure why most don't like shorting discussions. When I'm bullish, it's the shorter money I want to be tracking.
Anyway, I thought I'd dedicate a thread to shorting if anyone fancies it. It should interest bulls too. Afterall shorters and pessimistic bulls create the low buy value... just as bulls create the high short value.
Bulls and bears are best friends in the city. Scratch each other's backs. Retail should be same really.
If anyone wants to discuss a short or where buy value may be in a shorting stock, I'm up for the debate here.
Would you short Marshalls Plc (MSLH) ?
If so, feel free to tell me why here.
Matt
Re: SentimentRules Investing
Posted: July 23rd, 2019, 8:24 am
by PinkDalek
You may need to ask SR at ADVFN, where he is presently active.
Clicking on his username here shows:
The requested user does not exist.
Re: SentimentRules Investing
Posted: July 23rd, 2019, 1:29 pm
by TheMotorcycleBoy
PinkDalek wrote:You may need to ask SR at ADVFN, where he is presently active.
Clicking on his username here shows:
The requested user does not exist.
Ha! I'm not that interested to be honest. They (MSLH) don't have any shares out short, and was in the middle of doing a catch up on them. I thought asking him on this own thread would be harmless enough.
Matt
Re: Last Call - Shorting
Posted: August 1st, 2019, 9:26 am
by Walrus101
SentimentRules wrote:Shorted Vodafone around 134p.
Thankfully we got a bit of a rise. As a continous drop would have forced me out the day before results.
Instead I can hopefully add to short but need it above 130p for that. Dunno if will get to do it. I hope so. Shorters back in at the 50 already today so maybe not. .
The muted market response on the liberty deal and imminent results I hope is acting as a pre warning to many LTHs.
Anyway summary. A rise into results of 130 + .... short written all over the results .
120p before results? Il have to take it. Be another dead cat bounce in it. Will wait and use that for new short.
Nothing new in this sector since it started collapsing last year. Shorters paradise guys. Sub 100 imo regardless
When you look at most investors there is common ground amongst them. They look at momentum , sentiment and value. Well lets put that in order .
Value Momentum Sentiment.
But they give sentiment least weighting. They only see it as a driver back to their value and momentum analysis. .
Would it shock you if i say 'sentiment half the time, changes value and momentum'? .
Seems highly overlooked. Anyway there you go.
This must be hurting. I presume you closed your short on the gap up. Presumably the institutional flows being exhibited are the exact opposite of what you are expecting
Re: Last Call - Shorting
Posted: August 1st, 2019, 10:14 am
by PinkDalek
Walrus101 wrote:This must be hurting. I presume you closed your short on the gap up. Presumably the institutional flows being exhibited are the exact opposite of what you are expecting
See
viewtopic.php?p=238584#p238584
Re: Last Call - Shorting
Posted: August 1st, 2019, 12:28 pm
by Walrus101
PinkDalek wrote:Walrus101 wrote:This must be hurting. I presume you closed your short on the gap up. Presumably the institutional flows being exhibited are the exact opposite of what you are expecting
See
viewtopic.php?p=238584#p238584
Thanks, that's a shame, some of what he said was quite interesting, just in terms of seeing the opposite view. I'm also quite interested in the thoughts around institutional flows of capital and how you can follow that.
Re: Last Call - Shorting
Posted: August 1st, 2019, 5:36 pm
by TheMotorcycleBoy
Walrus101 wrote:PinkDalek wrote:Walrus101 wrote:This must be hurting. I presume you closed your short on the gap up. Presumably the institutional flows being exhibited are the exact opposite of what you are expecting
See
viewtopic.php?p=238584#p238584
Thanks, that's a shame, some of what he said was quite interesting, just in terms of seeing the opposite view. I'm also quite interested in the thoughts around institutional flows of capital and how you can follow that.
Me too. But whenever I pressed him to back up his statements, e.g. with some charts he was never forthcoming.
It would have been great to see all those "fat candlesticks" in action.
Re: SentimentRules Investing
Posted: August 1st, 2019, 5:46 pm
by johnhemming
He didn't strike me as being real. (In the sense of someone who actually did what he claimed to do).
Re: The Timing of Fundamental Executions
Posted: August 9th, 2019, 4:16 pm
by PMTI
SentimentRules wrote:Kier group.
I just cant comprehend the thinking. But i write it here now because if it does rally 20% I want to remind myself to look back and wonder why it didn't drop another 20% as I expect initially from today's price 're 76p
Well, it dropped to about 62p by the end of July but after revealing "significant interest" in its plan to sell its housing business, appointment of '"revered" financial officer Simon Kesterton saw a ~30% rise from that point, and a near 20% rise today sees the share price around 100p at time of writing.
....Although I'm scratching my head to see why it jumper 20% today? Answers on a post card, please.