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Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby Marky72 » March 13th, 2021, 2:08 pm

Good afternoon!

I am thinking about purchasing some shares soon in a few different companies and was just wondering what you guys thought were still "attractive" "discounted" shares at the moment to invest in (UK or elsewhere)?

Some FTSE 100 shares have already risen by 50% plus since the first Lockdown last March and was wondering what you guys were thinking/have recently invested in for longer term results? I was thinking 2-5 years ish minimum ?

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts/suggestions.

Mark

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby TUK020 » March 13th, 2021, 2:18 pm

Marky72 wrote:Good afternoon!

I am thinking about purchasing some shares soon in a few different companies and was just wondering what you guys thought were still "attractive" "discounted" shares at the moment to invest in (UK or elsewhere)?

Some FTSE 100 shares have already risen by 50% plus since the first Lockdown last March and was wondering what you guys were thinking/have recently invested in for longer term results? I was thinking 2-5 years ish minimum ?

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts/suggestions.

Mark


Have just taken a position in Unilever, as it is on yield rarely seen for this quality share. Have previously avoided because of family exposure (wife used to work there), but now taken the plunge.
If I weren't already fully loaded with them, I would be considering topping up NG, L&G, SDRC.
IMB is yielding an astonishing 10%, given that the FCF cover is there. Veto'ed due to share of income.

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby tjh290633 » March 13th, 2021, 11:15 pm

Marky72 wrote:Some FTSE 100 shares have already risen by 50% plus since the first Lockdown last March and was wondering what you guys were thinking/have recently invested in for longer term results? I was thinking 2-5 years ish minimum ?

Here are the changes in share price for the shares in my portfolio since January 1st. This gives a good indication of which have already risen and which are lagging:

Epic     Change    Yield
BP. 26.55% 6.24%
MARS 26.52% 0.00%
RDSB 20.53% 3.26%
AV. 20.11% 5.38%
PSON 19.96% 2.39%
CPG 16.80% 0.00%
MKS 15.99% 0.00%
TATE 13.49% 3.87%
BHP 13.22% 5.28%
LLOY 13.09% 1.38%
IMI 12.79% 1.71%
S32 12.31% 1.67%
KGF 11.24% 0.00%
VOD 9.82% 6.07%
TW. 9.62% 4.56%
LGEN 9.43% 6.03%
SMDS 8.81% 2.94%
RIO 5.03% 7.11%
BLND 4.29% 3.29%
DGE 4.15% 2.35%
BT.A 3.78% 0.00%
BA. 2.70% 4.72%
ADM 1.31% 5.32%
UU. -0.11% 4.79%
BATS -2.38% 8.16%
NG. -3.08% 5.84%
SGRO -3.17% 2.41%
TSCO -3.28% 4.33%
IGG -3.71% 5.20%
PHP -4.45% 4.25%
AZN -5.09% 2.98%
RB. -5.75% 2.83%
GSK -6.13% 6.35%
SSE -7.93% 5.79%
IMB -9.02% 9.86%
ULVR -10.06% 3.75%

Av.Chg 6.04% 3.89%

You can see the laggards and thir current historic yields, all those that are negative have positive yields.

TJH

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby jackdaww » March 14th, 2021, 8:41 am

TUK020 wrote:
Marky72 wrote:Good afternoon!

I am thinking about purchasing some shares soon in a few different companies and was just wondering what you guys thought were still "attractive" "discounted" shares at the moment to invest in (UK or elsewhere)?

Mark


Have just taken a position in Unilever, as it is on yield rarely seen for this quality share. Have previously avoided because of family exposure (wife used to work there), but now taken the plunge.


=============================

there have indeed been some attractions about .

i have in the last few months bought into unilever , vodafone , BATS , admiral, harworth , morrisons , senior , youngs .

also IT CTY .

all aimed at getting total returns derived from getting in at a low point (hopefully) , with some dividends thrown in .

but they are not all cheap today ..

:)

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby dealtn » March 14th, 2021, 9:46 am

tjh290633 wrote:
Marky72 wrote:Some FTSE 100 shares have already risen by 50% plus since the first Lockdown last March and was wondering what you guys were thinking/have recently invested in for longer term results? I was thinking 2-5 years ish minimum ?

Here are the changes in share price for the shares in my portfolio since January 1st. This gives a good indication of which have already risen and which are lagging:

Epic     Change    Yield
BP. 26.55% 6.24%
MARS 26.52% 0.00%
RDSB 20.53% 3.26%
AV. 20.11% 5.38%
PSON 19.96% 2.39%
CPG 16.80% 0.00%
MKS 15.99% 0.00%
TATE 13.49% 3.87%
BHP 13.22% 5.28%
LLOY 13.09% 1.38%
IMI 12.79% 1.71%
S32 12.31% 1.67%
KGF 11.24% 0.00%
VOD 9.82% 6.07%
TW. 9.62% 4.56%
LGEN 9.43% 6.03%
SMDS 8.81% 2.94%
RIO 5.03% 7.11%
BLND 4.29% 3.29%
DGE 4.15% 2.35%
BT.A 3.78% 0.00%
BA. 2.70% 4.72%
ADM 1.31% 5.32%
UU. -0.11% 4.79%
BATS -2.38% 8.16%
NG. -3.08% 5.84%
SGRO -3.17% 2.41%
TSCO -3.28% 4.33%
IGG -3.71% 5.20%
PHP -4.45% 4.25%
AZN -5.09% 2.98%
RB. -5.75% 2.83%
GSK -6.13% 6.35%
SSE -7.93% 5.79%
IMB -9.02% 9.86%
ULVR -10.06% 3.75%

Av.Chg 6.04% 3.89%

You can see the laggards and thir current historic yields, all those that are negative have positive yields.

TJH


Well without getting tangentially distracted by whether zero is a positive number, I think you can say the same about all the risers too can't you?

Yields as a predictor of share price growth over the time frame the OP is looking at would I think be a poor predictor.

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby Wuffle » March 14th, 2021, 11:48 am

One from the left field...

Have a look at FRES vs the silver and gold price.
I am not totally up to date with the company performance but I am kicking myself for failing to execute last year when I had a quick sniff about for a punt.

Oh, all right then, GSK,NG,ULVR.

W.

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby tjh290633 » March 14th, 2021, 12:11 pm

dealtn wrote:
tjh290633 wrote:
Marky72 wrote:Some FTSE 100 shares have already risen by 50% plus since the first Lockdown last March and was wondering what you guys were thinking/have recently invested in for longer term results? I was thinking 2-5 years ish minimum ?

Here are the changes in share price for the shares in my portfolio since January 1st. This gives a good indication of which have already risen and which are lagging:

Epic     Change    Yield
BP. 26.55% 6.24%
MARS 26.52% 0.00%
RDSB 20.53% 3.26%
AV. 20.11% 5.38%
PSON 19.96% 2.39%
CPG 16.80% 0.00%
MKS 15.99% 0.00%
TATE 13.49% 3.87%
BHP 13.22% 5.28%
LLOY 13.09% 1.38%
IMI 12.79% 1.71%
S32 12.31% 1.67%
KGF 11.24% 0.00%
VOD 9.82% 6.07%
TW. 9.62% 4.56%
LGEN 9.43% 6.03%
SMDS 8.81% 2.94%
RIO 5.03% 7.11%
BLND 4.29% 3.29%
DGE 4.15% 2.35%
BT.A 3.78% 0.00%
BA. 2.70% 4.72%
ADM 1.31% 5.32%
UU. -0.11% 4.79%
BATS -2.38% 8.16%
NG. -3.08% 5.84%
SGRO -3.17% 2.41%
TSCO -3.28% 4.33%
IGG -3.71% 5.20%
PHP -4.45% 4.25%
AZN -5.09% 2.98%
RB. -5.75% 2.83%
GSK -6.13% 6.35%
SSE -7.93% 5.79%
IMB -9.02% 9.86%
ULVR -10.06% 3.75%

Av.Chg 6.04% 3.89%

You can see the laggards and thir current historic yields, all those that are negative have positive yields.

TJH


Well without getting tangentially distracted by whether zero is a positive number, I think you can say the same about all the risers too can't you?

Yields as a predictor of share price growth over the time frame the OP is looking at would I think be a poor predictor.

No, because the shares with zero yield have all risen since the start of the year, MARS, CPG, MKS, KGF and BT.A. I am using yield as an indicator of growth yet to come.

TJH

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby Marky72 » March 14th, 2021, 4:16 pm

jackdaww wrote:
TUK020 wrote:
Marky72 wrote:Good afternoon!

I am thinking about purchasing some shares soon in a few different companies and was just wondering what you guys thought were still "attractive" "discounted" shares at the moment to invest in (UK or elsewhere)?

Mark


Have just taken a position in Unilever, as it is on yield rarely seen for this quality share. Have previously avoided because of family exposure (wife used to work there), but now taken the plunge.


=============================

there have indeed been some attractions about .

i have in the last few months bought into unilever , vodafone , BATS , admiral, harworth , morrisons , senior , youngs .

also IT CTY .

all aimed at getting total returns derived from getting in at a low point (hopefully) , with some dividends thrown in .

but they are not all cheap today ..

:)


Many thanks! Which ones of those do you feel are still bargains to be had?

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby Marky72 » March 14th, 2021, 4:19 pm

tjh290633 wrote:
Marky72 wrote:Some FTSE 100 shares have already risen by 50% plus since the first Lockdown last March and was wondering what you guys were thinking/have recently invested in for longer term results? I was thinking 2-5 years ish minimum ?

Here are the changes in share price for the shares in my portfolio since January 1st. This gives a good indication of which have already risen and which are lagging:

Epic     Change    Yield
BP. 26.55% 6.24%
MARS 26.52% 0.00%
RDSB 20.53% 3.26%
AV. 20.11% 5.38%
PSON 19.96% 2.39%
CPG 16.80% 0.00%
MKS 15.99% 0.00%
TATE 13.49% 3.87%
BHP 13.22% 5.28%
LLOY 13.09% 1.38%
IMI 12.79% 1.71%
S32 12.31% 1.67%
KGF 11.24% 0.00%
VOD 9.82% 6.07%
TW. 9.62% 4.56%
LGEN 9.43% 6.03%
SMDS 8.81% 2.94%
RIO 5.03% 7.11%
BLND 4.29% 3.29%
DGE 4.15% 2.35%
BT.A 3.78% 0.00%
BA. 2.70% 4.72%
ADM 1.31% 5.32%
UU. -0.11% 4.79%
BATS -2.38% 8.16%
NG. -3.08% 5.84%
SGRO -3.17% 2.41%
TSCO -3.28% 4.33%
IGG -3.71% 5.20%
PHP -4.45% 4.25%
AZN -5.09% 2.98%
RB. -5.75% 2.83%
GSK -6.13% 6.35%
SSE -7.93% 5.79%
IMB -9.02% 9.86%
ULVR -10.06% 3.75%

Av.Chg 6.04% 3.89%

You can see the laggards and thir current historic yields, all those that are negative have positive yields.

TJH


Many thanks for this information, it is really useful! Which 3 or 4 shares do you feel would be the top picks for the next 5 years or so?

Also, is IMB a good call? I looked at the share price history and it seems to be reducing over the years?

Much appreciated,

Mark

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby Marky72 » March 14th, 2021, 4:24 pm

Wuffle wrote:One from the left field...

Have a look at FRES vs the silver and gold price.
I am not totally up to date with the company performance but I am kicking myself for failing to execute last year when I had a quick sniff about for a punt.

Oh, all right then, GSK,NG,ULVR.

W.



Thank you for spending the time to reply :) With GSK, would you keep this as a growth or income share? Not sure what the future holds? Maybe hold for about a year? Your thoughts would be appreciated. Also, do you see NG going from strength to strength too for a period of time?

Regards,

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby Marky72 » March 14th, 2021, 4:27 pm

TUK020 wrote:
Marky72 wrote:Good afternoon!

I am thinking about purchasing some shares soon in a few different companies and was just wondering what you guys thought were still "attractive" "discounted" shares at the moment to invest in (UK or elsewhere)?

Some FTSE 100 shares have already risen by 50% plus since the first Lockdown last March and was wondering what you guys were thinking/have recently invested in for longer term results? I was thinking 2-5 years ish minimum ?

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts/suggestions.

Mark


Have just taken a position in Unilever, as it is on yield rarely seen for this quality share. Have previously avoided because of family exposure (wife used to work there), but now taken the plunge.
If I weren't already fully loaded with them, I would be considering topping up NG, L&G, SDRC.
IMB is yielding an astonishing 10%, given that the FCF cover is there. Veto'ed due to share of income.


Many thanks - would you mind explaining why you vetoed IMB please in a bit more detail? Do you think it's not worth investing in at the moment?

Mark

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby tjh290633 » March 14th, 2021, 5:31 pm

Marky72 wrote:
tjh290633 wrote:
Marky72 wrote:Some FTSE 100 shares have already risen by 50% plus since the first Lockdown last March and was wondering what you guys were thinking/have recently invested in for longer term results? I was thinking 2-5 years ish minimum ?

Here are the changes in share price for the shares in my portfolio since January 1st. This gives a good indication of which have already risen and which are lagging:

Epic     Change    Yield
UU. -0.11% 4.79%
BATS -2.38% 8.16%
NG. -3.08% 5.84%
SGRO -3.17% 2.41%
TSCO -3.28% 4.33%
IGG -3.71% 5.20%
PHP -4.45% 4.25%
AZN -5.09% 2.98%
RB. -5.75% 2.83%
GSK -6.13% 6.35%
SSE -7.93% 5.79%
IMB -9.02% 9.86%
ULVR -10.06% 3.75%

Av.Chg 6.04% 3.89%

You can see the laggards and thir current historic yields, all those that are negative have positive yields.

TJH


Many thanks for this information, it is really useful! Which 3 or 4 shares do you feel would be the top picks for the next 5 years or so?

Also, is IMB a good call? I looked at the share price history and it seems to be reducing over the years?

Much appreciated,

Mark

You have to make your own mind up about that. You may already have some of them. Assuming a completely clean slate, I would look at the yields and the dividend records. Here are the shares at the top of my yield table:

Rank   EPIC   Yield
1 IMB 9.86%
2 BATS 8.16%
3 RIO 7.11%
4 GSK 6.35%
5 BP. 6.24%
6 VOD 6.07%
7 LGEN 6.03%
8 NG. 5.84%
9 SSE 5.79%
10 AV. 5.38%

I would choose one tobacco, RIO, GSK and SSE or NG. at this stage. Not a reccomendation, just my personal feelings.

TJH

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby jackdaww » March 14th, 2021, 6:03 pm

Marky72 wrote:
jackdaww wrote:
TUK020 wrote:
Have just taken a position in Unilever, as it is on yield rarely seen for this quality share. Have previously avoided because of family exposure (wife used to work there), but now taken the plunge.


=============================

there have indeed been some attractions about .

i have in the last few months bought into unilever , vodafone , BATS , admiral, harworth , morrisons , senior , youngs .

also IT CTY .

all aimed at getting total returns derived from getting in at a low point (hopefully) , with some dividends thrown in .

but they are not all cheap today ..

:)


Many thanks! Which ones of those do you feel are still bargains to be had?


============================

.

only unilever now .

i think the following are off their lows but worth a further look .

admiral
astrazenecca
glaxo
bhp
rio
bats
hiscox
paypoint
bae.

many of these pay quite good dividends , but bear in mind it is not obligatory to chase high yields in order to get the best total returns.

games workshop has a history of going from strength to strength but that may not continue .

ideas , not recommendations !

:)

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby dealtn » March 14th, 2021, 6:36 pm

Marky72 wrote:Good afternoon!

I am thinking about purchasing some shares soon in a few different companies and was just wondering what you guys thought were still "attractive" "discounted" shares at the moment to invest in (UK or elsewhere)?

Some FTSE 100 shares have already risen by 50% plus since the first Lockdown last March and was wondering what you guys were thinking/have recently invested in for longer term results? I was thinking 2-5 years ish minimum ?

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts/suggestions.

Mark


Why limit your thinking to FTSE100 shares would be my thoughts.

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby Marky72 » March 14th, 2021, 7:25 pm

jackdaww wrote:
Marky72 wrote:
jackdaww wrote:
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there have indeed been some attractions about .

i have in the last few months bought into unilever , vodafone , BATS , admiral, harworth , morrisons , senior , youngs .

also IT CTY .

all aimed at getting total returns derived from getting in at a low point (hopefully) , with some dividends thrown in .

but they are not all cheap today ..

:)


Many thanks! Which ones of those do you feel are still bargains to be had?


============================

.

only unilever now .

i think the following are off their lows but worth a further look .

admiral
astrazenecca
glaxo
bhp
rio
bats
hiscox
paypoint
bae.

many of these pay quite good dividends , but bear in mind it is not obligatory to chase high yields in order to get the best total returns.

games workshop has a history of going from strength to strength but that may not continue .

ideas , not recommendations !

:)


Thanks a lot - do you know the difference between LSE:IAG and LSE:BAE shares? Which one is the better bet for growth in your opinion?

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby tjh290633 » March 14th, 2021, 8:43 pm

Marky72 wrote:
jackdaww wrote:
Marky72 wrote:
Many thanks! Which ones of those do you feel are still bargains to be had?


============================

.

only unilever now .

i think the following are off their lows but worth a further look .

admiral
astrazenecca
glaxo
bhp
rio
bats
hiscox
paypoint
bae.

many of these pay quite good dividends , but bear in mind it is not obligatory to chase high yields in order to get the best total returns.

games workshop has a history of going from strength to strength but that may not continue .

ideas , not recommendations !

:)


Thanks a lot - do you know the difference between LSE:IAG and LSE:BAE shares? Which one is the better bet for growth in your opinion?

My only thought is to suggest that you avoid airlines like the plague.

TJH

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby Wuffle » March 15th, 2021, 4:11 am

Mark
I owned GSK at about todays price so long ago that I can't remember the details.
But I distinctly remember AZN being derided as a basket case and being under 30 quid.
This is a non sophosticated reversion to mean thing. Growth share, takeover, that kind of thing.
NG and ULVR just look cheap... ish in a dynamic world where they just continue to relentlessly plod along being stalwarts.
Armchair punters are unlikely to ever know more than this about the inner workings of behemoths.
Highbrow or what?
Similar for FRES, I just looked at the pretty graph and bad real returns might be a thing and precious metals not tank.

W.

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby TUK020 » March 15th, 2021, 6:28 am

Marky72 wrote:
TUK020 wrote:
Marky72 wrote:Good afternoon!

I am thinking about purchasing some shares soon in a few different companies and was just wondering what you guys thought were still "attractive" "discounted" shares at the moment to invest in (UK or elsewhere)?

Some FTSE 100 shares have already risen by 50% plus since the first Lockdown last March and was wondering what you guys were thinking/have recently invested in for longer term results? I was thinking 2-5 years ish minimum ?

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts/suggestions.

Mark


Have just taken a position in Unilever, as it is on yield rarely seen for this quality share. Have previously avoided because of family exposure (wife used to work there), but now taken the plunge.
If I weren't already fully loaded with them, I would be considering topping up NG, L&G, SDRC.
IMB is yielding an astonishing 10%, given that the FCF cover is there. Veto'ed due to share of income.


Many thanks - would you mind explaining why you vetoed IMB please in a bit more detail? Do you think it's not worth investing in at the moment?

Mark

Mark,
My rather abbreviated comment "Veto'ed due to share of income" was shorthand for saying that I wouldn't add to my position, because that would create even more dependence on income from a single share. I have limits on the amount of capital value or dividend income for any particular share. Roughly this is 1.5x the median value. TJH has a more rigorous system which also takes into account % of capital invested.
tuk020

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby jackdaww » March 15th, 2021, 8:45 am

Marky72 wrote:
jackdaww wrote:
Marky72 wrote:
Many thanks! Which ones of those do you feel are still bargains to be had?


============================

.

only unilever now .

i think the following are off their lows but worth a further look .

admiral
astrazenecca
glaxo
bhp
rio
bats
hiscox
paypoint
bae.

many of these pay quite good dividends , but bear in mind it is not obligatory to chase high yields in order to get the best total returns.

games workshop has a history of going from strength to strength but that may not continue .

ideas , not recommendations !

:)


Thanks a lot - do you know the difference between LSE:IAG and LSE:BAE shares? Which one is the better bet for growth in your opinion?


==================================

IAG is a big european airline.

warren buffet famously said - dont buy airlines - although he has held them himself .

BAE is a big aerospace and defence company which i would prefer.

8-)

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Re: Post Lockdown Share Bargains?

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Postby Parky » March 15th, 2021, 9:20 am

Marky72 wrote:
Thanks a lot - do you know the difference between LSE:IAG and LSE:BAE shares? Which one is the better bet for growth in your opinion?


If you don't know the difference between British Airways and British Aerospace, both very well known companies, you shouldn't be investing in individual shares. Buy an Investment Trust and let them pick the shares. :) (did you mistake BAE for British Airways?)

To answer the question, BA will probably "grow" back to where it was before the pandemic, but only slowly, if at all, after that. BAE - who knows? - depends on geopolitics. I suppose there will continue to be an appetite for war, unfortunately.


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