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Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

Scientific discovery and discussion

Climate change - man made?

True
24
60%
False
9
23%
Not sure
7
18%
I have changed mind on the subject since I voted in the last poll
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 40

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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 6th, 2025, 9:41 pm

Sabine finds that there is no statistically significant connection between the California wild fires & climate change (7 minutes, but last 1.5 influencer for vpn):

https://youtu.be/NZv5zBNIhvE?si=2lXCi87hfYgaz7Mu

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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby Sorcery » March 6th, 2025, 10:30 pm

No "Other" option, so need to say "Yes" to "life including man made". Unless somebody has included a maths mistake in their model, which means it's entirely man made. Have fun, having great weather for a change.

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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby XFool » March 8th, 2025, 12:04 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:Sabine finds that there is no statistically significant connection between the California wild fires & climate change (7 minutes, but last 1.5 influencer for vpn):

https://youtu.be/NZv5zBNIhvE?si=2lXCi87hfYgaz7Mu

Um... It's a 'Private Video'. So, No Comment. You'd need to describe it in outline at least for anything more.

What is her statistical significance measuring? Correlation of climate change (measured how - global temperature records?) with number of Californian wild fires, or intensity of fires? Or both?

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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 10th, 2025, 10:19 am

Nice video on Milankovitch cycles & associated planetary changes, ice ages etc (13:47 mins):

https://youtu.be/YYU1QWCesKE?si=2u4AUi-wI5DAIFpK

An interesting & clear discussion.

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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 10th, 2025, 10:20 am

XFool wrote:
odysseus2000 wrote:Sabine finds that there is no statistically significant connection between the California wild fires & climate change (7 minutes, but last 1.5 influencer for vpn):

https://youtu.be/NZv5zBNIhvE?si=2lXCi87hfYgaz7Mu

Um... It's a 'Private Video'. So, No Comment. You'd need to describe it in outline at least for anything more.

What is her statistical significance measuring? Correlation of climate change (measured how - global temperature records?) with number of Californian wild fires, or intensity of fires? Or both?


When I saw it, the video was public, so not sure what is going on, or if Sabine has commented elsewhere.

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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 10th, 2025, 10:24 am

Sabine comments on the video removal:

https://x.com/skdh/status/1898068240795 ... DCpgdbFBxg

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Last edited by odysseus2000 on March 10th, 2025, 10:29 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 10th, 2025, 10:26 am

German long term temperature measurement:

https://x.com/thedisproof/status/189812 ... DCpgdbFBxg

1781 to 2024

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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby CliffEdge » March 10th, 2025, 7:02 pm

I wish people wouldn't quote stuff from X on here. It's worthless.

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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby XFool » March 10th, 2025, 7:07 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:Sabine comments on the video removal:

https://x.com/skdh/status/1898068240795 ... DCpgdbFBxg

Erm...

Sorry, odysseus2000, but I don't do 'X'. So her reasons for the video's removal are as opaque to me as the removed video. :)

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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 10th, 2025, 10:18 pm

XFool wrote:
odysseus2000 wrote:Sabine comments on the video removal:

https://x.com/skdh/status/1898068240795 ... DCpgdbFBxg

Erm...

Sorry, odysseus2000, but I don't do 'X'. So her reasons for the video's removal are as opaque to me as the removed video. :)


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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 10th, 2025, 11:44 pm

CliffEdge wrote:I wish people wouldn't quote stuff from X on here. It's worthless.


Estimates of X value are around $10 billion, not the $44 billion he paid, but not worthless.

Moreover, I now use X for most of my research including climate science, so it’s super valuable to me.

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Postby servodude » March 10th, 2025, 11:59 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:
CliffEdge wrote:I wish people wouldn't quote stuff from X on here. It's worthless.


Estimates of X value are around $10 billion, not the $44 billion he paid, but not worthless.

Moreover, I now use X for most of my research including climate science, so it’s super valuable to me.

Regards,

...suddenly a lot more of that stuff makes sense! :lol:

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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby Tedx » March 11th, 2025, 11:19 am

From October 27th 2022 to present date, even after taking into account the recent falls, Musk's $44 billion would be worth about $63 billion if he'd bunged it in an S&P500 tracker. And with Twitter worth about $10 billion now, he's $53 billion notes down.

:lol:

What a penarse.

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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 11th, 2025, 12:52 pm

Tedx wrote:From October 27th 2022 to present date, even after taking into account the recent falls, Musk's $44 billion would be worth about $63 billion if he'd bunged it in an S&P500 tracker. And with Twitter worth about $10 billion now, he's $53 billion notes down.

:lol:

What a penarse.


Yes, but had he not bought Twitter we may have ended up with a different president who might have decided that Musk was an enemy of the State & thrown him in jail or worse.

$63 billion compared to potential jail time or death, seems like a bargain, especially as X continues to develop influence & power. It would not surprise me if X became the most valuable property in Elon’s portfolio. It was certainly important in getting President Trump elected, which Musk argues has saved democracy.

The decision was his, the paper loss his & he seems happy & is one of the most important advisors in Trump’s cabinet & will likely steer Trump towards renewable energy & electric cars. Woukd he rather have $63b or be where he is now?

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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby CliffEdge » March 11th, 2025, 5:39 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:
CliffEdge wrote:I wish people wouldn't quote stuff from X on here. It's worthless.


Estimates of X value are around $10 billion, not the $44 billion he paid, but not worthless.

Moreover, I now use X for most of my research including climate science, so it’s super valuable to me.

Regards,


Oh dear...

The "information" on X is worthless scuttlebutt and worse.

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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 11th, 2025, 5:54 pm

CliffEdge wrote:
odysseus2000 wrote:
Estimates of X value are around $10 billion, not the $44 billion he paid, but not worthless.

Moreover, I now use X for most of my research including climate science, so it’s super valuable to me.

Regards,


Oh dear...

The "information" on X is worthless scuttlebutt and worse.


Where is the best information?

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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby odysseus2000 » March 17th, 2025, 8:08 pm

Sabine has put a video saying why she withdrew the first video & has now put it back up. She is not happy with climate scientists (12:29)::

https://youtu.be/vDsjeKo3u3o?si=wHV7w2z63ujM2Tn5

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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby XFool » March 17th, 2025, 11:49 pm

...OK.

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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby XFool » April 13th, 2025, 10:25 am

What I’ve learned after 40 years as the Observer’s science editor

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/apr/13/what-ive-learned-after-40-years-as-the-observers-science-editor

Almost as amazing as the knowledge we have gained in the past four decades is the fact that some people continue to deny the damage we are doing to our world

"Anti-science movements have always been with us, of course – from the rise of the flat Earthers to the early establishment of groups opposed to evolution. However, the present trajectory is now ­becoming extremely ­worrying, with the US providing the most ­worrying examples.

“It is undoubtedly political and connected with the rise of the right in the US,” says Sir Adrian Smith, president of the Royal Society. “That is partly because Trump and many Republicans have a major down on elite universities in the US, and these are places where big science takes place.

“On the other hand, the recent rise of rightwing parties in European countries has not been mirrored with abuse of science, and so far the worst of this awfulness has not yet hit the UK. It is not something to take for granted over the coming years, however.”
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Re: Poll. Have you changed your mind about climate change?

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Postby scrumpyjack » April 13th, 2025, 11:38 am

odysseus2000 wrote:Sabine has put a video saying why she withdrew the first video & has now put it back up. She is not happy with climate scientists (12:29)::

https://youtu.be/vDsjeKo3u3o?si=wHV7w2z63ujM2Tn5

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It is unhealthy, and does not help the climate change case, for normal scientific disciplines to be ignored in this way. It then devalues other research.


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