Re: Human alien interactions
Posted: April 25th, 2022, 7:20 am
maybe Elon Musk IS an alien?
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scrumpyjack wrote:maybe Elon Musk IS an alien?
88V8 wrote:
I think it impossible that there is no intelligent life out there, and never has been.
Now, whether it has the will and the technology to leave its native planet(s)... and whether we are within range... and a worthwhile destination considering the number of planets out there... and whether it is sending out crewed or uncrewed ships ... and whether they would recognise us as intelligent within their frame of reference... so I do not by any means exclude the possibility of alien visitation, indeed I would be amazed if it has not happened.
Although there is a window... planets rise and fall... our civilisation is a brief moment in the life of our planet.. doubtless the same in other planetary systems, so for a while they have the technical ability and then they don't, and those windows of opportunity would have to coincide with our existence and ability to recognise them when they visit.
So the opportunities for ET to visit and interact with us may not have been that frequent.
Itsallaguess wrote:88V8 wrote:
I think it impossible that there is no intelligent life out there, and never has been.
Now, whether it has the will and the technology to leave its native planet(s)... and whether we are within range... and a worthwhile destination considering the number of planets out there... and whether it is sending out crewed or uncrewed ships ... and whether they would recognise us as intelligent within their frame of reference... so I do not by any means exclude the possibility of alien visitation, indeed I would be amazed if it has not happened.
Although there is a window... planets rise and fall... our civilisation is a brief moment in the life of our planet.. doubtless the same in other planetary systems, so for a while they have the technical ability and then they don't, and those windows of opportunity would have to coincide with our existence and ability to recognise them when they visit.
So the opportunities for ET to visit and interact with us may not have been that frequent.
Yep - most casual conversations about aliens tend to concentrate on the vast distances involved, but it's TIME that is likely to play just as important a part in any chances of actually bumping into intelligent life.
There's a big chance that any first-encounter will just be some sort of physical sign of a long-gone civilisation...
There's also a big chance that the long-gone civilisation might eventually turn out to be us...
Cheers,
Itsallaguess
odysseus2000 wrote:
One other observation that may or may not be related to UAP is cattle mutilation. When I was a project manager for a Nasa contractor there were a series of unexplained cattle mutilations in the farms around the Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, Alabama. Cows found dead with various organs removed and no sign of blood. I dismissed this as some maniac rednecks, not realising that this is a world wide phenomenon:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_mutilation
88V8 wrote:Although there is a window... planets rise and fall... our civilisation is a brief moment in the life of our planet.. doubtless the same in other planetary systems, so for a while they have the technical ability and then they don't, and those windows of opportunity would have to coincide with our existence and ability to recognise them when they visit.
odysseus2000 wrote:The tictac uap witnessed by commander Fravor was also seen by 3 other people at the time and was, as his best estimate, about 17 m (50 ft) in diameter. It was also seen on radar. The chance that this observation was a bird is zero.
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stevensfo wrote:What I find rather significant is the fact that many years ago, we had all these reports of sightings, yet today, with everyone holding a smartphone with excellent camera and video, we see pretty much nothing.
XFool wrote:stevensfo wrote:What I find rather significant is the fact that many years ago, we had all these reports of sightings, yet today, with everyone holding a smartphone with excellent camera and video, we see pretty much nothing.
Yes, I think this is an important point. A long time ago now I pointed out that as mobile phones with cameras were becoming common, we ought in the near future to get plenty of evidence of "UFOs" if they were present - whatever they are. Now they are pretty well universal, yet we still seem to be waiting.
XFool wrote:stevensfo wrote:What I find rather significant is the fact that many years ago, we had all these reports of sightings, yet today, with everyone holding a smartphone with excellent camera and video, we see pretty much nothing.
Yes, I think this is an important point. A long time ago now I pointed out that as mobile phones with cameras were becoming common, we ought in the near future to get plenty of evidence of "UFOs" if they were present - whatever they are. Now they are pretty well universal, yet we still seem to be waiting.
stevensfo wrote:XFool wrote:stevensfo wrote:What I find rather significant is the fact that many years ago, we had all these reports of sightings, yet today, with everyone holding a smartphone with excellent camera and video, we see pretty much nothing.
Yes, I think this is an important point. A long time ago now I pointed out that as mobile phones with cameras were becoming common, we ought in the near future to get plenty of evidence of "UFOs" if they were present - whatever they are. Now they are pretty well universal, yet we still seem to be waiting.
Actually, after I wrote that post I realised something that has been bugging me for years. We have a village Facebook page, and very often we receive warnings about strange white vans, cars and men nosing around houses in a suspicious manner. Despite smartphones, everybody answers that they 'didn't think to take a photo' etc etc. The only photos are of cars parked illegally near the bloody Primary school. Which I attended many decades ago before it became a fortress and cold-blooded academy!!
Maybe, by the time they've unlocked the phone, found the photo button and opened the protective case, the bleedin' UFO has already scarpered.
Steve
odysseus2000 wrote:The tictac uap witnessed by commander Fravor was also seen by 3 other people at the time and was, as his best estimate, about 17 m (50 ft) in diameter.
odysseus2000 wrote:It was also seen on radar. The chance that this observation was a bird is zero.
GoSeigen wrote:stevensfo wrote:XFool wrote:stevensfo wrote:What I find rather significant is the fact that many years ago, we had all these reports of sightings, yet today, with everyone holding a smartphone with excellent camera and video, we see pretty much nothing.
Yes, I think this is an important point. A long time ago now I pointed out that as mobile phones with cameras were becoming common, we ought in the near future to get plenty of evidence of "UFOs" if they were present - whatever they are. Now they are pretty well universal, yet we still seem to be waiting.
Actually, after I wrote that post I realised something that has been bugging me for years. We have a village Facebook page, and very often we receive warnings about strange white vans, cars and men nosing around houses in a suspicious manner. Despite smartphones, everybody answers that they 'didn't think to take a photo' etc etc. The only photos are of cars parked illegally near the bloody Primary school. Which I attended many decades ago before it became a fortress and cold-blooded academy!!
Maybe, by the time they've unlocked the phone, found the photo button and opened the protective case, the bleedin' UFO has already scarpered.
Steve
Whereas in the old days the aliens would see a person holding an old-fashioned SLR and obligingly hang around long enough for them to remove the camera from the case, remove the lens cover, focus the camera and get the shot?
GS
XFool wrote:odysseus2000 wrote:The tictac uap witnessed by commander Fravor was also seen by 3 other people at the time and was, as his best estimate, about 17 m (50 ft) in diameter.
Straightaway this raises lots of queries for me. How exactly did he estimate it as 50ft in diameter? Why not 5 ft or 5 inches? After all, it wasn't a thing he could identify, therefore he presumably had not seen one before. Or had had a chance to see up close, in relation to familiar objects. Did the other witnesses independently agree with his estimate?odysseus2000 wrote:It was also seen on radar. The chance that this observation was a bird is zero.
But was the "It" that was seen on radar the same thing that Fravor saw? How do we know?
So many questions, so few answers! These human reports of UAPs are as frustrating, puzzling and as dead-end as actually seeing a UAP.