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Human alien interactions

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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby Itsallaguess » May 4th, 2022, 12:58 pm

servodude wrote:
It's the Episode with the caravan


<cough>
https://www.lemonfool.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=34219&p=496717#p496717
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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby servodude » May 4th, 2022, 1:09 pm

Itsallaguess wrote:
servodude wrote:
It's the Episode with the caravan


<cough>
https://www.lemonfool.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=34219&p=496717#p496717
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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby odysseus2000 » May 4th, 2022, 3:19 pm

This a fighter pilots analysis of Fravor’s tic-tac video:

https://youtu.be/OHsLZjqzlX0

Interesting to have the flight vectors sketched out & some more estimates of the closest approach that Fravor made.

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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby Itsallaguess » May 4th, 2022, 6:15 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:
There is a line of argument that there are multiple [alien] visitors from different planets & some are at war, shooting down enemy ships.


If you get chance, can you thank them for being considerate and keeping the noise down....

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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby 9873210 » May 4th, 2022, 6:46 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:The odds are good that in the next few years we will get definitive evidence one way or the other.

This can only be resolved one way, not the other.

Definitive evidence that aliens exist is easy to envision, but I can't imagine any possibility of definitive evidence aliens don't exist or for the more limited claim that they are not currently visiting Earth.

Can you give any examples of possible definitive evidence against aliens?

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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby odysseus2000 » May 4th, 2022, 7:38 pm

9873210 wrote:
odysseus2000 wrote:The odds are good that in the next few years we will get definitive evidence one way or the other.

This can only be resolved one way, not the other.

Definitive evidence that aliens exist is easy to envision, but I can't imagine any possibility of definitive evidence aliens don't exist or for the more limited claim that they are not currently visiting Earth.

Can you give any examples of possible definitive evidence against aliens?


An example of definitive evidence would be the presentation with history of a human made vessel capable of doing what uap have been seen doing. That would tie things into a non alien phenomenon with evidence of some genius who worked out how to make a reaction free drive.

Another example would be of some one demonstrating how he/she created hoax uap.

Another would be a opening up of Area 51 to the media with all the secret work made public at some qualitative level indicating why they invented the uap hoax & how they managed it.

Basically anything that shows uap are human creations,

As of now I think it is more likely aliens, but I can not rule out some human trickery.

The whole secrecy adds a level of confusion that is hard to understand as it would seemingly imply collusion among all the worlds power for at least 70 years. Why would they do that?

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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby jfgw » May 4th, 2022, 7:53 pm

Hopefully, they have visited Russia...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews ... cret-base/


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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby odysseus2000 » May 4th, 2022, 8:57 pm

jfgw wrote:Hopefully, they have visited Russia...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews ... cret-base/


Julian F. G. W.


If his reports are true it is uncannily like some of the Star Trek original series plot lines.

Indeed Star Trek original series has been remarkably accurate in predicting the future, suggesting Gene Roddenberry had foresight or was contacted by aliens.

All of the stuff that is coming out is near impossible to verify or disprove in some quantitative manner so it may all be fantasy, but so many people, so many similar stories kind of makes it all have a life that is hard to reject.

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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby CliffEdge » May 4th, 2022, 9:17 pm

God has three legs

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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby doolally » May 4th, 2022, 9:30 pm

CliffEdge wrote:God has three legs

Jake?

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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby AleisterCrowley » May 4th, 2022, 10:11 pm

Simon Pegg's grandad

(Incidentally, Pegg's 'Paul' is the best alien movie I have ever seen)

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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby servodude » May 4th, 2022, 10:20 pm

AleisterCrowley wrote:Simon Pegg's grandad

(Incidentally, Pegg's 'Paul' is the best alien movie I have ever seen)


I've read some wacky stuff in this thread... but THAT'S on another planet!
...it's not even the best alien movie with Simon Pegg in it

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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby AleisterCrowley » May 5th, 2022, 9:53 am

Should have got an Oscar :-)

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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby scrumpyjack » May 5th, 2022, 11:23 am

Of course, as I understand it, under US law anyone who is not a US citizen is an 'Alien' :D

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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby ursaminortaur » May 5th, 2022, 1:06 pm

scrumpyjack wrote:Of course, as I understand it, under US law anyone who is not a US citizen is an 'Alien' :D


In the UK the first ever immigration act was the Aliens Act 1905.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_Act_1905

The Act introduced immigration controls and registration for the first time, and gave the Home Secretary overall responsibility for matters concerning immigration and nationality

The earliest usage for an extraterrestrial seems to be in the 1920s (possibly as late as 1929)

https://www.inverse.com/article/15964-scientists-need-to-take-back-the-word-alien-before-we-find-extraterrestrials

The word “alien” has a strange history. Derived from the Latin word aliēnus, meaning “belonging to someone else,” the term arose sometime in the mid-14th century and was initially used to describe something as strange or of foreign origin. When dark age monks described something as alien, they meant it seemed unnatural within the context of the society and ecosystem.

The first recorded use of alien to mean “not of the Earth” was in 1920 — though one suspects it had happened previously.


The earliest I can find reference to is 1929 shown in this screen shot from OED Online

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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby odysseus2000 » May 5th, 2022, 2:19 pm

War of the worlds was written in 1897, so the concept of hostile extraterrestrials at least dates till then.

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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby ursaminortaur » May 5th, 2022, 2:39 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:War of the worlds was written in 1897, so the concept of hostile extraterrestrials at least dates till then.

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My understanding is that H G Wells just referred to them as Martians and never used the word aliens when referring to them - happy to be corrected if you can find a reference to him using that word in the book.

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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby odysseus2000 » May 5th, 2022, 4:28 pm

ursaminortaur wrote:
odysseus2000 wrote:War of the worlds was written in 1897, so the concept of hostile extraterrestrials at least dates till then.

Regards,


My understanding is that H G Wells just referred to them as Martians and never used the word aliens when referring to them - happy to be corrected if you can find a reference to him using that word in the book.


Yes, I think that is right, which I why I used extraterrestrials for the Martians, not aliens in my post, but that is a bit of a cheat as this term is also of modern origin.

According to wki, the first descriptions of non humans goes back to the earliest recorded history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterr ... in_fiction

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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby ursaminortaur » May 5th, 2022, 6:06 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:
ursaminortaur wrote:
odysseus2000 wrote:War of the worlds was written in 1897, so the concept of hostile extraterrestrials at least dates till then.

Regards,


My understanding is that H G Wells just referred to them as Martians and never used the word aliens when referring to them - happy to be corrected if you can find a reference to him using that word in the book.


Yes, I think that is right, which I why I used extraterrestrials for the Martians, not aliens in my post, but that is a bit of a cheat as this term is also of modern origin.

According to wki, the first descriptions of non humans goes back to the earliest recorded history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterr ... in_fiction

Regards,


Well's book was in the tradition of "invasion literature" which was popular at the time with many books depicting invasions of Britain by France or Germany. Using the idea of the ancient Martians though allowed him to produce an invasion story where the invader was much more technologically advanced than in those stories and rather invert the conquests of the British empire against "less developed" civilisations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_literature

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds

The plot has been related to invasion literature of the time. The novel has been variously interpreted as a commentary on evolutionary theory, British imperialism, and generally Victorian superstitions, fears, and prejudices. Wells said that the plot arose from a discussion with his brother Frank about the catastrophic effect of the British on indigenous Tasmanians. What would happen, he wondered, if Martians did to Britain what the British had done to the Tasmanians?
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Between 1871 and 1914 over 60 works of fiction for adult readers describing invasions of Great Britain were published. The seminal work was The Battle of Dorking (1871) by George Tomkyns Chesney, an army officer. The book portrays a surprise German attack, with a landing on the south coast of England, made possible by the distraction of the Royal Navy in colonial patrols and the army in an Irish insurrection. The German army makes short work of English militia and rapidly marches to London.
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There are a number of plot similarities between Wells's book and The Battle of Dorking. In both books a ruthless enemy makes a devastating surprise attack, with the British armed forces helpless to stop its relentless advance, and both involve the destruction of the Home Counties of southern England.[31] However The War of the Worlds transcends the typical fascination of invasion literature with European politics, the suitability of contemporary military technology to deal with the armed forces of other nations, and international disputes, with its introduction of an alien adversary


Although the best known early story of extraterrestrial invasion "The War of the Worlds" isn't actually the first such novel. The "Germ Growers" was published in 1892 by Australian clergyman Robert Potter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_invasion

In 1892, Robert Potter, an Australian clergyman, published The Germ Growers in London. It describes a covert invasion by aliens who take on the appearance of human beings and attempt to develop a virulent disease to assist in their plans for global conquest. It was not widely read, and consequently Wells' vastly more successful novel is generally credited as the seminal alien invasion story

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Re: Human alien interactions

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Postby odysseus2000 » May 5th, 2022, 6:10 pm

Super interesting summary on invasion literature. Thanks for sharing!

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