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redsturgeon wrote:I am waiting for an online payment that supposedly comes before 12pm, can I expect it this morning?
swill453 wrote:redsturgeon wrote:I am waiting for an online payment that supposedly comes before 12pm, can I expect it this morning?
There's no strict definition of what 12pm means, but by convention it's midday. It's a rather stupid term for an organisation to use though, when they could have easily made it unambiguous.
Scott.
swill453 wrote:redsturgeon wrote:I am waiting for an online payment that supposedly comes before 12pm, can I expect it this morning?
There's no strict definition of what 12pm means, but by convention it's midday.
Scott.
absolutezero wrote:There is a very strict definition of what 12pm means.
AleisterCrowley wrote:I think we've done this one before, several times !
12am/12pm are just confusing - they should be using 1200 for noon, or 0000 for midnight (at the start of the specified day)
ISO8601 is the standard
redsturgeon wrote:It seems that the website is using 12pm to mean noon...I have been credited my money.
pochisoldi wrote:AleisterCrowley wrote:I think we've done this one before, several times !
12am/12pm are just confusing - they should be using 1200 for noon, or 0000 for midnight (at the start of the specified day)
ISO8601 is the standard
Irrespective of what the ISO standard says, 0000 is ambiguous, and causes easily avoided confusion.
The usual practice is to have ending times at 2359, and start times at 0001
So an annual insurance policy might run from Sept 25th 2020 at 0001, and will end at Sept 24th 2021 at 2359.
I've done the same when scheduling overnight maintenance work - a midnight start was always advertised as starting at 0001hrs, and dated as taking place "in the morning".
AleisterCrowley wrote:pochisoldi wrote:AleisterCrowley wrote:I think we've done this one before, several times !
12am/12pm are just confusing - they should be using 1200 for noon, or 0000 for midnight (at the start of the specified day)
ISO8601 is the standard
Irrespective of what the ISO standard says, 0000 is ambiguous, and causes easily avoided confusion.
The usual practice is to have ending times at 2359, and start times at 0001
So an annual insurance policy might run from Sept 25th 2020 at 0001, and will end at Sept 24th 2021 at 2359.
I've done the same when scheduling overnight maintenance work - a midnight start was always advertised as starting at 0001hrs, and dated as taking place "in the morning".
0000 is NOT ambiguous. It refers to the start of the day. So 20200923:0000 was the start of today. It cannot refer to any other time, so is not ambiguous.
AleisterCrowley wrote:0000 is NOT ambiguous. It refers to the start of the day. So 20200923:0000 was the start of today. It cannot refer to any other time, so is not ambiguous.
pochisoldi wrote:AleisterCrowley wrote:pochisoldi wrote:
Irrespective of what the ISO standard says, 0000 is ambiguous, and causes easily avoided confusion.
The usual practice is to have ending times at 2359, and start times at 0001
So an annual insurance policy might run from Sept 25th 2020 at 0001, and will end at Sept 24th 2021 at 2359.
I've done the same when scheduling overnight maintenance work - a midnight start was always advertised as starting at 0001hrs, and dated as taking place "in the morning".
0000 is NOT ambiguous. It refers to the start of the day. So 20200923:0000 was the start of today. It cannot refer to any other time, so is not ambiguous.
OK, it's not ambiguous, and its not open to misinterpretation by others, and I've never had situations where people have misunderstood an agreed start time, and have expected work to start 24hrs ahead or after the intended time. My experience counts for nothing.
I guess the insurance companies using the start at 0001 and end at 2359 terminology don't think its ambiguous either, and their experience counts for nothing either.
swill453 wrote:redsturgeon wrote:I am waiting for an online payment that supposedly comes before 12pm, can I expect it this morning?
There's no strict definition of what 12pm means, but by convention it's midday. It's a rather stupid term for an organisation to use though, when they could have easily made it unambiguous.
Scott.
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