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Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby mtk62 » December 26th, 2024, 2:55 am

Bird flu kills 20 big cats at US animal sanctuary

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvx4d1n4vo

I suspect that it is increasingly looking like bird flu will be the next pandemic. :(
I can't believe it will be long before it will mutate to being human/human transmissible.

UK buys 5 million vaccine shots to prepare for H5N1 pandemic

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/uk-buys-bird-flu-vaccine-shots-to-prepare-for-pandemic/

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby Mike4 » December 26th, 2024, 10:21 am

mtk62 wrote:
Bird flu kills 20 big cats at US animal sanctuary

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvx4d1n4vo

I suspect that it is increasingly looking like bird flu will be the next pandemic. :(
I can't believe it will be long before it will mutate to being human/human transmissible.


Same here. Also, I can imagine an avalanche of misinformation overwhelming the truth, just like in the last pandemic.

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby XFool » January 5th, 2025, 3:32 pm

Mike4 wrote:
mtk62 wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvx4d1n4vo

I suspect that it is increasingly looking like bird flu will be the next pandemic. :(
I can't believe it will be long before it will mutate to being human/human transmissible.

Same here. Also, I can imagine an avalanche of misinformation overwhelming the truth, just like in the last pandemic.

Aye!

I can also imagine it being an even bigger scale avalanche of misinformation than last time.

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby Lootman » January 5th, 2025, 4:41 pm

Mike4 wrote:
mtk62 wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyvx4d1n4vo

I suspect that it is increasingly looking like bird flu will be the next pandemic. :(
I can't believe it will be long before it will mutate to being human/human transmissible.

Same here. Also, I can imagine an avalanche of misinformation overwhelming the truth, just like in the last pandemic.

The next pandemic might just be people obsessing about the next pandemic.

As an aside when did we stop having epidemics? Seems like we only have pandemics these days. Inflation?

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby XFool » January 5th, 2025, 5:15 pm

Lootman wrote:
Mike4 wrote:Same here. Also, I can imagine an avalanche of misinformation overwhelming the truth, just like in the last pandemic.

The next pandemic might just be people obsessing about the next pandemic.

As an aside when did we stop having epidemics?

We didn't. We currently have a flu epidemic in the UK. You hadn't noticed?

Lootman wrote:Seems like we only have pandemics these days. Inflation?

I think we also seem to have an epidemic of misinformation. Might even be a global pandemic...

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby Mike4 » January 5th, 2025, 8:09 pm

XFool wrote:
Lootman wrote:The next pandemic might just be people obsessing about the next pandemic.

As an aside when did we stop having epidemics?

We didn't. We currently have a flu epidemic in the UK. You hadn't noticed?

Lootman wrote:Seems like we only have pandemics these days. Inflation?

I think we also seem to have an epidemic of misinformation. Might even be a global pandemic...


A global pandemic of tautology?

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby kempiejon » January 5th, 2025, 8:46 pm

Mike4 wrote:A global pandemic of tautology?


Thank you Mike4 I resisted for a few hours but was back to comment when I saw your post.

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby servodude » January 5th, 2025, 9:12 pm

Mike4 wrote:
XFool wrote:We didn't. We currently have a flu epidemic in the UK. You hadn't noticed?


I think we also seem to have an epidemic of misinformation. Might even be a global pandemic...


A global pandemic of tautology?


Worse! I suspect it might be worldwide international global pandemic

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby XFool » January 5th, 2025, 10:58 pm

Err...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic

Pandemic

A pandemic (/pænˈdɛmɪk/ pan-DEM-ik) is an epidemic of an infectious disease that has a sudden increase in cases and spreads across a large region, for instance multiple continents or worldwide, affecting a substantial number of individuals.

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby kempiejon » January 5th, 2025, 11:06 pm

XFool wrote:Err...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic

Pandemic

A pandemic (/pænˈdɛmɪk/ pan-DEM-ik) is an epidemic of an infectious disease that has a sudden increase in cases and spreads across a large region, for instance multiple continents or worldwide, affecting a substantial number of individuals.


What a thing, I took pan to be all, I am educated, perhaps.

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby Gerry557 » January 6th, 2025, 10:05 am

As flu and covid are similar, I've stocked up on pasta and toilet rolls again. Unfortunately I don't know what to panic buy for bird flu.

I'm off to the shops on Wednesday but currently have Toblerone and fairy liquid as top choices. :lol:

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby servodude » January 6th, 2025, 11:41 am

Gerry557 wrote:As flu and covid are similar, I've stocked up on pasta and toilet rolls again. Unfortunately I don't know what to panic buy for bird flu.

I'm off to the shops on Wednesday but currently have Toblerone and fairy liquid as top choices. :lol:


Eggs!
As a pasta fan they get harder to find when the birds get sick & culled
- I generally make batches in multiples of 3 folk (i.e.3 eggs) and freezer balls if there's only two (or four) of us eating.

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby mtk62 » January 16th, 2025, 4:33 am

Bird flu poses a threat that is “unique and new in our lifetime” because it has become a “‘panzootic” that can kill huge numbers across multiple species, experts warn. For months, highly pathogenic bird flu, or H5N1, has been circulating in dairy farms, with dozens of human infections reported among farm workers. It has now jumped into more than 48 species of mammals, from bears to dairy cows, causing mass die-offs in sea lions and elephant seal pups. Last week, the first person in the US died of the infection.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/jan/15/age-of-the-panzootic-scientists-warn-of-more-devastating-diseases-jumping-between-species-aoe

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby Ashfordian » January 16th, 2025, 12:02 pm

mtk62 wrote:
Bird flu poses a threat that is “unique and new in our lifetime” because it has become a “‘panzootic” that can kill huge numbers across multiple species, experts warn. For months, highly pathogenic bird flu, or H5N1, has been circulating in dairy farms, with dozens of human infections reported among farm workers. It has now jumped into more than 48 species of mammals, from bears to dairy cows, causing mass die-offs in sea lions and elephant seal pups. Last week, the first person in the US died of the infection.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/jan/15/age-of-the-panzootic-scientists-warn-of-more-devastating-diseases-jumping-between-species-aoe


You'll live a much healthier life if you step away from the fear-laden news.

The media really want to create another pandemic and because there are many gullible people like you who they can easily control and manipulate again! (and this massively increases their revenues, self-importance and influence)

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby Lootman » January 16th, 2025, 12:48 pm

Ashfordian wrote:

You'll live a much healthier life if you step away from the fear-laden news.

The media really want to create another pandemic and because there are many gullible people like you who they can easily control and manipulate again! (and this massively increases their revenues, self-importance and influence)

Yes, pandemic paranoia seems to have become a thing. I am convinced that a sizeable minority actually enjoy all this talk, as it feeds some deep-seated psychological need of theirs.

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby mtk62 » January 16th, 2025, 2:53 pm

UK buys more than 5m doses of bird flu vaccine in the event it starts spreading to humans


https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-03/uk-buys-more-then-5m-doses-of-bird-flu-vaccine-in-case-of-any-possible-pandemic

Just in case it's a non-event?

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby mtk62 » January 29th, 2025, 3:39 pm

Farm worker contracts human case of bird flu


The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) said the individual in the West Midlands region "had close and prolonged contact with a large number of infected birds", but would not say where the farm was.

The person was "currently well and was admitted to a High Consequence Infectious Disease unit," it said.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn01xjp0yq4o

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby mtk62 » January 30th, 2025, 3:56 am

Should I be worried about bird flu?


Worldwide, more than 950 bird flu infections in humans have been reported to the World Health Organization and half of those have resulted in death.

In cases that are fatal, the virus causes severe respiratory distress syndrome, Prof Preston explains. “The virus starts to damage your respiratory cells but the [infected person’s] response is so extreme that it sets off a cytokine storm [when the body releases a large number of cytokines].”

Too many cytokines (which direct immune cells toward the site of an infection) forces the immune system into overdrive. Ultimately, this can lead to organ failure and death.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/conditions/cold-flu/the-truth-about-bird-flu/

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby mtk62 » February 2nd, 2025, 4:13 am

Virologist Wendy Barclay: ‘Wild avian viruses are mixing up their genetics all the time. It’s like viral sex on steroids’


In 2020, a new H5N1 variant, known as clade 2.3.4.4b, emerged. Wild birds spread it across huge areas and it did what influenza always does in wild birds, it shuffled its genome around. Some strains have also infected a wide range of mammals, including cows.
...
Influenza has not been reported before in cows and the virus is replicating so well in them that we suspected that between crossing from birds and becoming established in these herds, the virus must have undergone adaptive mutations.


https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/feb/01/virologist-wendy-barclay-wild-avian-viruses-are-mixing-up-their-genetics-all-the-time-its-like-viral-sex-on-steroids

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Re: Bird flu next pandemic?

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Postby Hallucigenia » February 7th, 2025, 12:27 pm

I'm sure all those who think there was a coverup over Covid will be all over this...

C.D.C. Posts, Then Deletes, Data on Bird Flu Spread Between Cats and People
The data, which appeared fleetingly online on Wednesday, confirmed transmission in two households.

Also, whilst all the cases in cattle have been the same strain (B3.13) until now, suggesting a single transmission from bird to cattle and then cow-cow spread, a new strain (D1.1) has popped up in cattle in Nevada suggesting a second spillover. And it seems to be worse in humans than B3.13.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/a-d ... -in-nevada


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