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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby Mike4 » March 26th, 2021, 10:35 am

88V8 wrote:I just tried booking a second dose via the NHS site
https://www.nhs.uk/book-a-coronavirus-v ... nhs-number

The first date offered is May 1st, which is exactly 12 weeks after the first.

I've heard of people getting earlier dates. Perhaps they were to make up jabbee shortfalls on the day.
Is this usual - exactly 12 weeks - or are we now skating on thin ice as regards vaccine supplies?

V8


Coincidentally I tried to do the same about an hour ago.

First I get this somewhat accusatory message:

You need to book your 2nd appointment again. You were unable to go to/missed your 2nd appointment to get the coronavirus vaccination. This means you need to book your 2nd appointment again. Click continue to book your 2nd appointment.

For the avoidance of doubt I have never managed to get a second appointment, so I know I can't have missed it.

Then:

We cannot find a slot for your 2nd appointment. There are currently no appointment slots available for you to have your 2nd appointment at this vaccination centre. Based on the date of your 1st appointment you need to have your 2nd appointment after 16 Apr 2021. You can try selecting a different vaccination centre for your 2nd appointment.

I tried a few random Berkshire postcodes and finally got offered a chemist in south London which I didn't much like the look of, so I'll try yet again another day.

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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby Julian » March 26th, 2021, 12:49 pm

88V8 wrote:I just tried booking a second dose via the NHS site
https://www.nhs.uk/book-a-coronavirus-v ... nhs-number

The first date offered is May 1st, which is exactly 12 weeks after the first.

I've heard of people getting earlier dates. Perhaps they were to make up jabbee shortfalls on the day.
Is this usual - exactly 12 weeks - or are we now skating on thin ice as regards vaccine supplies?

V8

Maybe the dosing interval is slipping a bit on predictions of supply? When I booked my first dose via the web site (1st dose March 4th) I was, as far as I could, tell forced by the booking system to book my second dose and at that time (which for me was a good thing). I would have been booking in the last couple of days of Feb I think and the earliest date for the 2nd dose that I was offered was exactly 11 weeks after the appointment date for my first dose. As it happened that date wasn't convenient so I booked my second dose for 11 weeks and 1 day after my first dose.

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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby XFool » March 26th, 2021, 2:13 pm

France claims UK will struggle to source second Covid jabs

The Guardian

EU will not be blackmailed over Oxford/AstraZeneca doses, says foreign minister Jean-Yves Le Drian

"Britain will struggle to source second Covid jabs for those who have already had their first dose but the EU will not be “blackmailed” into exporting vaccine to solve the problem, France’s foreign minister has claimed."

Good job I recently booked in for this Sunday?

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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby GeoffF100 » March 26th, 2021, 3:19 pm

XFool wrote:France claims UK will struggle to source second Covid jabs

The Guardian

EU will not be blackmailed over Oxford/AstraZeneca doses, says foreign minister Jean-Yves Le Drian

"Britain will struggle to source second Covid jabs for those who have already had their first dose but the EU will not be “blackmailed” into exporting vaccine to solve the problem, France’s foreign minister has claimed."

Good job I recently booked in for this Sunday?

We know from yesterday's summit that France and others for a ban but the Netherlands, Belgium and others are against it. They have made the compromise of empowering the Commission to use a ban as a threat, without actually backing one. The Halix plant has now been approved by the EMA. Nonetheless, the small shipments destined for us over the next two months would spread very thinly over the EU population.

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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby terminal7 » March 26th, 2021, 3:29 pm

The EU is in relative decline economically, has just seen 15% of its population opt to leave it


How invest did you get this percentage?

T7

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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby terminal7 » March 26th, 2021, 3:32 pm

I received my first jab on 20 Jan. Just received text from my surgery re second jab and have booked for 1 April. So that's just over 10 weeks.

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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby tjh290633 » March 26th, 2021, 6:55 pm

I had my first on 17 Jan, second booked for 2nd April, 75 days later, 10 weeks and 5 days later.

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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby staffordian » March 26th, 2021, 11:35 pm

When I had my first jab, (Pfizzer) on 11th February, along with the usual bumpf, I was given a slip of paper telling me to phone the surgery on 12 April to book my second.

But on Facebook they have just posted a rota saying those jabbed in week from 8th Feb to 14th Feb will be due for the second between 3rd May and 9th May and will be contacted by the surgery a week before this.

But, worryingly, it says don't ring the surgery unless it's after the due date.

Which suggests to me that they are pushing things right to the wire as far as the twelve weeks is concerned, and if they don't for whatever reason contact you, then the second jab will be more than twelve weeks after the first.

I'm planning to just ring the surgery as instructed when I was first jabbed, regardless of the Facebook post, which many will not have seen, hoping to get a slot a little before the 12 weeks are up. Asssuming there are still some stocks of Pfizer left by then...

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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby 88V8 » March 27th, 2021, 9:43 am

staffordian wrote:When I had my first jab, (Pfizzer) ....

Is that the more active version :)

V8

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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby staffordian » March 27th, 2021, 12:03 pm

88V8 wrote:
staffordian wrote:When I had my first jab, (Pfizzer) ....

Is that the more active version :)

V8

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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby gryffron » March 27th, 2021, 12:08 pm

My dad just had his second jab. Exactly 10 weeks after the first.

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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby Sobraon » March 27th, 2021, 11:11 pm

Update:
China 229 Million doses of vaccine produced, 109 Million doses exported (48%)
India 125 Million doses of vaccine produced, 55 Million doses exported (44%)
EU 120 Million doses of vaccine produced, 46 Million doses exported (42%)
US 164 Million doses of vaccine produced, zero doses exported (0%)
UK 16 Million doses of vaccine produced, zero doses exported (0%)
Source Airfinity.

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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby mc2fool » March 28th, 2021, 12:23 am

The governments donating the most money to COVAX (as of 19-Feb-21)

United States   $2,500m
Germany $1,093m
United Kingdom $735m
European Union $489m
Japan $200m
Canada $181m
:

https://www.statista.com/chart/24244/donations-to-covax-by-country/

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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby 1nvest » March 28th, 2021, 2:41 am

Mike4 wrote:I tried a few random Berkshire postcodes and finally got offered a chemist in south London which I didn't much like the look of, so I'll try yet again another day.

My 'closest' and quickest for my first jab a couple few weeks ago was for a chemist in Tooting. Didn't much like the look of it from Google street walking either, but I booked in on the basis I could always turn around and walk away. When I phoned the day before to ask about local parking I was informed that the jabs were being injected at a local church hall and was given a stream of parking options and permitted times but none really sank in not being familiar with the area.

The next morning I parked in the local Lidl carpark a few minutes walk away from the church hall that has 2 hours free parking, and was done/dusted in a little over half a hour. Had the Oxford jab and they said if driving I had to wait a while, but when I said I was going shopping first I was able to leave immediately. I did some shopping in Lidl thinking I'd have to get a car park record, but they weren't running the parking check system where you have to enter your reg number on a terminal. Guess they're just using the cameras that register your entry/exit times and not enforcing having to actually shop/buy stuff.

I went for a 11am appointment time which worked out very well as I got the common 12 hours latter shivers that last for around 12 hours, so went to bed with a hot water bottle at 11pm and had a good night sleep and just felt a mildly 'heady' until midday or so the next day.

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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby Julian » March 28th, 2021, 2:46 am

mc2fool wrote:The governments donating the most money to COVAX (as of 19-Feb-21)

United States   $2,500m
Germany $1,093m
United Kingdom $735m
European Union $489m
Japan $200m
Canada $181m
:

https://www.statista.com/chart/24244/donations-to-covax-by-country/

Well, I guess I’ll be first to point out the curiosity in the above. I did read the linked article and couldn’t see the answer.

How can the EU be donating a total of $489m when just one of its member countries (Germany) is donating more than that? Maybe that EU figure is rest-of-EU or is there some central EU donation of $489 funded from the standing annual budget, i.e. the annual budget agreed by all member states includes a foreign aid component and other countries can make their own additional donations (a very generous one in the case of Germany)?

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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby mc2fool » March 28th, 2021, 2:55 am

Julian wrote:
mc2fool wrote:The governments donating the most money to COVAX (as of 19-Feb-21)

United States   $2,500m
Germany $1,093m
United Kingdom $735m
European Union $489m
Japan $200m
Canada $181m
:

https://www.statista.com/chart/24244/donations-to-covax-by-country/

Well, I guess I’ll be first to point out the curiosity in the above. I did read the linked article and couldn’t see the answer.

How can the EU be donating a total of $489m when just one of its member countries (Germany) is donating more than that? Maybe that EU figure is rest-of-EU or is there some central EU donation of $489 funded from the standing annual budget, i.e. the annual budget agreed by all member states includes a foreign aid component and other countries can make their own additional donations (a very generous one in the case of Germany)?

The latter. "European Union" above refers to the institution itself, rather than as a collective term for the 27 countries. Wikipedia lists that $489m as "European Commission". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVAX#Participants_(donors)
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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby 1nvest » March 28th, 2021, 3:00 am

Getting near where the set from which 95% of death stem will have had their second jab. First jab seems to reduce deaths by 60%, second boosts that up into the 90% level, so along with better understanding/hospital treatment the death toll might drop massively. For the large majority contraction is a non event and vaccinations would make little difference. Vaccination doesn't seem to reduce the risk of contraction only alleviates the symptoms.

Maybe even if the supply totally dried up for a while there may be enough coverage already for that to not be a issue. Other forms will also be available and once the US has covered itself and starts exporting there'll be breadth and depth of choices/supply. Israel for instance I believe has a tablet form, others a nasal spray ...etc. i.e. self administer options.

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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby Lootman » March 28th, 2021, 1:58 pm

Sobraon wrote:Update:
China 229 Million doses of vaccine produced, 109 Million doses exported (48%)
India 125 Million doses of vaccine produced, 55 Million doses exported (44%)
EU 120 Million doses of vaccine produced, 46 Million doses exported (42%)
US 164 Million doses of vaccine produced, zero doses exported (0%)
UK 16 Million doses of vaccine produced, zero doses exported (0%)
Source Airfinity.

Glad to see the US and UK government doing what they should be doing and putting their own people first.

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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby 1nvest » March 28th, 2021, 2:14 pm

The risk from a heatwave is deadlier than Covid

1976 UK 681K deaths 57M population
2020 UK 696K deaths 67M population

Proportioned to a 67M population size and 1976 would have had around 800K deaths.

They are both local peak years, adjacent years were lower, as might 2019 and 2021 see lower levels. Where the higher number of deaths in 1976 was primarily due to a heat wave.

When the 'excess' are eliminated, the most vulnerable to a event have died, its only natural that a prior peak will see numbers decline. No doubt the reduction will be attributed to vaccines and mask the natural decline tendency.

Once those that have had the first jab, the more vulnerable, have had their second jab, then supply/injecting could likely cease altogether and see little difference in outcome. Indeed it might even be wise to end vaccinations - just in case there are mid/longer term issues later identified from such vaccinations.

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Re: EU vaccine export blockade

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Postby terminal7 » March 28th, 2021, 4:13 pm

Invest

The EU is in relative decline economically, has just seen 15% of its population opt to leave it



Still wondering how you calculated this percentage - saw it on the side of a bus?

T7


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