Bouleversee wrote:Julian -
The blood clots ARE happening after Pfizer and Moderna jabs in other countries but not here because they were given to older people here. The report was posted on one of these threads.
I'd like to know more about those under 30s who developed clots and in some cases died after the Ox/AZ jab. How many in that age group were vaccinated and why (front line NHS workers perhaps?), what proportion of that particular cohort (as opposed to what proportion of all vaccinated) were affected by clotting, what was their ethnicity, Vit. D level, blood group, weight, underlying health problems, inherited pto-thrombin factors, whether on the pill, previous Covid infection. Surely there must be some common factor or combination thereof. If they were mostly health workers in the front line, one cannot discount the amount of stress they were under being a contributory factor. It is well known that stress and lack of sleep and food can have a devastating effect on the immune system. I know from my own experience.
I'm happy for the none-in-Pfizer ststement that I heard on the TV from some expert being interviewed to be wrong (in fact I would be somewhat relieved for it to be wrong) but I think I know the report that you are talking about (this one? -
https://mental-fitness-group.com/health ... ca-banned/) that says ...
Pfizer’s Covid vaccine has been linked to more blood clots than AstraZeneca’s, according to the vaccine’s data.
Information from the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) in the UK suggests more people have reported blood clots after a Pfizer vaccine than with the AstraZeneca.
Up to February 28, there were 38 reports from about 11.5million doses of Pfizer’s vaccine – compared to 30 from 9.7million AstraZeneca doses.
However what it does not say is how many of the people in the Pfizer group who experienced clots also exhibited low platelet counts and, as I understand it, that is the particularly rare category of clot that is of specific interest here and that is the particular category where I saw one expert being interviewed on TV a couple of days ago saying there were no incidents of that reported for the Pfizer vaccine. That could be for many reasons e.g. they have simply been missed or perhaps follow-up isn't as diligent on Pfizer clotting cases. I assume further blood work is needed to check for the low platelet count and maybe that hasn't been done for the Pfizer clotting cases for instance. It's also possible that the expert I saw interviewed was simply wrong in his very confidently stated assertion.
As to why the fact that it is clotting coincident with low platelet count that is causing such specific concern is something that I would be interested to know. Is it somehow harder to treat thus more lethal so they consider it a more serious side effect than a more "conventional" clotting condition? Or is it simply because it is so much rarer than other types of clotting conditions that they are able to see a signal in the data for that specific clotting condition whereas, given the much higher prevalence of other clotting conditions in the general population, there are no real signals emerging for those sorts of clots?
For me one key piece of data missing here is, in those 38 reports (up to 28th Feb) of clotting in people getting the Pfizer vaccine, just how many also had low platelet counts.
On your list of "I'd like to know more about..." I agree with every one of those. The observation on stress and the immune system is something that has occurred to me before as well, particularly in respect to the Spanish Flu. I had always wondered why at certain stages of that pandemic it was unusual in disproportionately targeted young adults (or so I have read). Maybe it wasn't the virus that was unusual but the young adults around at the time given that it was the end of WW1. If you're talking about stress damaging the immune system I can't imagine a better way to do that than spending time in the trenches of WW1, plus malnutrition I expect and a whole load of other adverse factors. I wouldn't be surprised if, for at least a while after that experience, a whole load of teenagers and 20-somethings had the immune systems of a 90 year old due to experiencing levels of stress that I simply cannot begin to imagine.
- Julian